I won’t be debating this, don’t bother.
This just seems like a bunch of straw-man arguments?
There’s vegan fur and leather alternatives which aren’t just plastic.
Actual fur and leather are also terrible for the environment.
No vegans are yelling at indigenous hunters or saying that people of color should be exploited, using other people’s suffering as an excuse to hurt animals yourself is silly.
Have you ever actually seen a vegan go after indigenous people? Or have you just seen people complaining about nothing like in this tweet?
Why spend so much time and energy trying to undermine veganism for no good reason?
We’re simply asking you to not needlessly exploit animals.
hard agree, tho I would say that all exploitation that stems from humans should be opposed. Indiginous (or just generally conscious) hunting, however, is necessary in todays world to keep at least some semblance of ecological balance and I would not compare it to exploitation on an industrial scale
and ofc Veganism without class consciousness is like environmental activism without class consciousness: just privileged gardening
Don’t forget so so much ableism too!
And just for shits and gigs, not that its anyone’s business - I’m actually vegan myself lmfao I’m just able to realise that that doesn’t give me any moral superiority over anyone and that what others eat isnt my business, destroying capitalism is.
You don’t think avoiding animal abuse is better than engaging in and funding animal abuse?
That’s like saying that you don’t care about what anyone does in the privacy of their own home while talking about domestic violence.
Yes we should let people do as they please… as long as it doesn’t hurt others.
Eating animals definitely hurts others.
I think veganism should be encouraged from a administrative level, but it’s similar to the process of secularization. For example: You can’t force people away from religion and it’s abusive practices (or eating meat for that matter). Education campaigs and massive restructurings in all social fields to make it more accessible, be it in terms of the school system (,costs of food or adjustments in the health sector) are needed to further secularization (or veganization) imo
There will ALWAYS be people who eat animals, for medical or cultural resons and they should not be excluded.
The cruelty is in the industry not in a practice that is as natural as nature itself.
Practically, you can’t literally force people to stop eating meat, but we should do everything we can.
Hunting is not necessary, humans killed all the natural predators because we didn’t want them attacking livestock.
If we stopped animal agriculture then natural predators could be allowed back.
And we can use non-violent population control methods.
Also, deer are straight up bred and released just so people can hunt them.
Hunting is needless killing and cruel because we can easily thrive without.
What do we do in the mean time? You know that eco-system recovery is a veeery long process. Also idk if that is another case of US-exceptionalism but that would be the first time I heard of the practice of breeding deer just to release them for hunting (not smth I know from continental europe)
The model of requiring a license for hunting with a ~ a year of prior training (or some other proof of the necessary knowledge for those who grew up with it for example) and restricting it to certain times and species as long as we haven’t introduced natural predators again (which is not always viable, mind you) is a good model imo
Animal agriculture will be gradually stopped till the problem is fixed.
Sure in the meantime is gonna be a mess but that doesn’t make hunting ethical.
I’m not American myself but yes I’ve heard it’s done in the US, I believe I’ve also heard of it done here in Denmark tho.
No amount of prep, education or restrictions is gonna make needlessly killing others okay.
People making this about their white veganism ignoring the indigenous voice proving the point be like
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#DearNonNatives @dearnonnatives:
“Don’t wear fur” yells the vegan “instead wear fake fur made from plastics that’ll take hundreds of years to decompose into microplastics that harm the living things that ingest it, impacting entire ecosystems, or else you don’t really care about animals” they say.
“If you eat meat you’re speciest” the vegan yells at an Indigenous hunter. “You should be supporting the exploitation and labor of people of color around the world so unique foods can be shipped to you from around the world at low prices instead” they say.
Vegans will literally get mad at an Indigenous person for shooting a deer or killing a seal to feed their family and suggest that if they don’t want THEIR family to stave maybe someone else’s family in South America can so things like quinoa can be easily accessible
If you feel personally attacked by this thats something for you to consider with yourself.
Nowhere do I say don’t go vegan or advocate the meat industry, but you bulldozing over marginalized voices with your fingers in your ears singing the capitalism song as the earth hurtles towards destruction while you try and blame individuals for systematic problems is bordering on satire and got old about a decade ago.
Feel free to continue performing to the void if you please.
Come the fuck on buddy, this is clearly implying that vegans are bad.
And again, countering the points isn’t “bulldozing over marginalized voices”…
And that’s still a straw-man, vegans aren’t inherently pro capitalism, why do you bring this up?
You should try actual arguments if you wanna argue for something.
