137 points

We should not be building our cities in ways that necessitate owning a car.

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40 points

That ship has sailed a long time ago

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59 points

Never too late to change. Just look at Amsterdam now vs a couple decades ago

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33 points

I know Jersey City has made a big push to bikify the city, and limited parking in new high-density development, with the idea being if you build it, they will come. It’s part of an overall plan that they date out to 2060. Shit takes time. Doesn’t mean you don’t try though, that’s for sure. I’m hopeful.

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I’d argue that Amsterdam isn’t a great example, as the infrastructure of that city was largely built before the advent of automobiles, then converted to support a more Americanized design that was vehicle-centric, before finally realizing, “Hey, we’re Dutch, not American, we need more space for our bicycles!”

If we’re discussing American infrastructure designed in the 20th century, it seems to be pretty difficult to convert because the physical structures of both the transportation infrastructure and the destinations people want to visit are not built densely enough to make going without a car a top tier option for most people.

I mean this broadly, not to say that there aren’t opportunities to start moving this in the other direction, but emphasizing that changing the focus to downplay the importance of vehicles will be neither quick, cheap, or easy.

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5 points

You’re right, let’s not change with the times but just lay down and die, nothing is worth the effort.

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-1 points

What are we gonna do, nuke all the suburbs and cram everyone into little pods?

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5 points

It’s gonna be crashing on the shore pretty soon at this rate.

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1 point

not really. it’s a choice that’s remade every year. we can fix it, and people are trying.

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2 points

It’s about oil and profits. They want us to need a car to go anywhere. More cars, more oil, more profits, RIGHT?

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1 point

Nerevar, what do you need a car for? You have all the siltstriders in the world at your disposal. Here, take the keys to Juan Angelito. He’s my favorite.

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6 points

People who buy new are wild to me. I can afford a new car, or I could just buy a car that’s only a few years old with low mileage and save a ton of money. Seems like a no brainer to me.

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4 points

Well for an EV it might make sense. There just hasnt been a used market for them for a while.

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1 point

What do you mean? The Nissan Leaf first came out in 2011, the original ones are probably 13 years old now. The Bolt was released in 2016.

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3 points

Depends on when. There have been many times in the past 20 years that “low mileage” cars are only a couple thousand less than new, and some rare cases during the pandemic where used was more than new, cause new didn’t exist.

Even now depending on where you live, you have to get a fairly used car to get a significant discount.

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2 points

Right but the people they worship buy new cars, and they’re just temporarily disgraced millionaires so this 90 grand truck is worth it.

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2 points

Also it makes up for the tiny penis.

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1 point

There are very few electric cars available used, which severely limits my options if I want to be responsible with an automobile purchase.

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4 points

It can depend. I bought new in 2017, but it was for a 2017 chevy volt. It was discounted plus had a $7500 tax credit (which I wouldn’t get if I bought used). Final price after absolutely everything was about $20k, though the money I saved on gas helps bring that down. Still driving it to this day and loving it the whole time.

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55 points

Just bought an 11 year old car for 12k. Because a new one would’ve wiped out my savings and then some after saving for 5 years to replace my 20 year old car. Nobody can afford shit.

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29 points

People need to stop “pretending” they can afford all this shit, it’s not needed and noone cares, who are people showing off too?

New iphone? Don’t need it

Maybe if we stop buying shit these companies will actually try

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10 points

They’ll just cut you off from your subscription if you don’t buy buy buy.

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1 point

That’s all the 80 month car loans are at this point.

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I bought a boat last year and now I want a bigger one. I’ve got lots of disposable income because I don’t live beyond my means. Lots of people carry credit card debt and spend stupidly. Don’t do that and you’ll likely be ahead of most people.

The boats are around 2k. Not huge rich guy money.

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21 points

The cost of a boat is primarily in upkeep, not price. You’ll see.

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I bought a boat last year and now I want a bigger one…I don’t live beyond my means…spend stupidly…

🤯🤯🤯

Homie. You just bought the largest money sink there is. You can drop 20k into your 2k boat and when you turn around and sell it you’ll get your 2k back, that’s it, maybe. All the amenities are nice, but no one cares if the all the outlets match the drapes - that’s why buying either is stupid, financially.

Fences are another good example. They can cost tens of thousands…EASY. In fact if I heard a neighbor fenced even one side of their yard for under 5k id be in shock. They make a place more livable, more comfortable. They increase the likelihood of a sale but they don’t increase property value so you’re never getting a return on that money.

Be it fences, boats, outlet covers or drapes, those are all emotional purchases. Their value is subjective, so most find when it’s time to move on from them theyre the only ones who see that value.

Like go spend 5k on a couch. How much you think your gonna get for that? Or your mattress?

Better live on your next boat if you like life on the water. It’s literally the only way I’ve ever seen anyone who works for a paycheck hold onto a boat. A real boat. The kind that you have to moar and drydock once every few years. Only way.

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6 points

I’m curious. What car did you buy? I hate how everything is so inflated. I bought a mint civic si for 8 grand like 6 years ago. I kinda want insight/realize everything is fucked.

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6 points

We picked up a 12 year old civic hatchback before Covid for 5k and it was in immaculate like-new condition, low miles. It got totaled right after our other car’s engine finally wore out. I then found a 10 year old Toyota for 16k. It was the lowest price in a 200-mile radius for cars/small trucks with under 150k miles on them that weren’t limping/totaled/savaged.

It was fucking flabbergasting.

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You got yours 6 years ago. 8k was about average for a decent used car then. Now you’re paying almost full price for a 5 year old car or if you’re okay with a shit box that may or may not last then you can drop 5k. I got a 2012 GTI.

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41 points

Don’t buy a new car. New cars are for rich suckers. Cars are the most common type of depreciating asset.

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4 points

If you’re rich you don’t care

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4 points

exactly why you should go for a second hand one if you aren’t drowning in generational wealth.

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What? My point stands. If you care, you aren’t rich. You just have some cash from a few good years.

Would you care about the deprecation in value of your toothbrush?

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I saw this on TikTok and it’s been burned into my brain since.

https://cdn1.frocdn.ch/vZBqPK4EuWepdGt.mp4 (link might not work with some security settings).

The amount of money seemingly regular people are dumping into car payments is unreal.

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Could you link the clip somewhere else? That host is blocked in basically every layer imaginable for me - uBlock, bad SSL settings and AdGuard

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If you care enough, just open it up in a private window or a new profile. Also, unless you don’t want whoever is between you and their server (if anyone is) knowing you watched a TikTok video of a woman going around asking other woman what their car payments are, bad SSL settings is whatever.

Here’s the original link: https://www.tiktok.com/@toyotacargirls/video/7202381347908832558

I just didn’t want to deal with people complaining about “A TIKTOK? ON MY LEMMIES?”

Either way, I can’t win with you people.

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I’ve had 3 cars the first was 10yo when i bought it, the second was 3yo when i got it, the last one was new. Each one lasted 5 years, 12 years and then 10 years respectively. Moved to a walkable/bikeable city & I don’t even have a driver’s license anymore. New cars are not bad as long as it doesn’t get changed out every other year, and you get one that is a reliable model.

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You had a brand new car that only lasted 10 years?? What are you doing to your cars??

My friend has a 1993 Toyota Land Cruiser that the mechanic said drives like new.

I have a 2008 Nissan 350z that I’d expect to get another 10 years out of.

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Sold it when we moved out of the country, lol. It was a 2007 FJ Cruiser we got for 18k, sold it for 10k. Only changed the starter (drowned it), and a couple other things. Best vehicle I ever owned.

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Taking out a loan for a vehicle does not mean you are rich lol.

Anyone can get financing for a shitty new car, not everyone can figure out how to retire by the age of 55

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36 points

I can’t even afford an old car lol

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Same here, why I went with a motorcycle instead lol

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