I’m not sure how accurate StatCounter is, given that most Linux users use adblockers. However, according to it, Linux has almost a 14% desktop share in India.

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C is for Cognizant btw. But Cisco wouldn’t be too far off.

It’s a desi-fied version of WITCH, for those familiar with that term.

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Come over to team Guix System, we have cookies 🍪

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Hey, thank you for this comprehensive feedback! I’ve emailed the guix-devel mailing list to draw attention to your critique because I think it’s important.

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Hurd is dead. If you want to contribute I would look at the fsf priority projects

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It sounds like avoiding cookies would be a part of that movement

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We use TCS and Accenture at my work and I’m aware of us using Cognizant and HCL as well. You’re bang on fuck all those companies and also “first world” compankes for fucking the local employment market and fucking overseas workers.

Race to the bottom. Nothing matters but the bottom line.

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Just curious what you opinion of Zoho is vs the ones you listed. Do they treat staff better?

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As a MoS&E student in northern Europe I’d love to hear why these companies have such a bad rep over in India. They’re doing massive recruitment drives at my uni (along with BCG) and sponsor a lot of student events, so I don’t hear many bad things about them.

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…because they just throw people at projects with no regard to skill set or level. Their business model is get contact, hire lots of tech grads, assign them to project, cross fingers. They’ve ended up with a reputation of not being able to execute, and they doing it by paying people at the start of their career the lowest amount they can. If you end up on one of these projects, and are actually capable, then everything gets heaped onto you.

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Ah, makes sense then why they’re pushing so hard to have a presence at our universities. Hopefully I’ll be able to avoid such employers in the future. Thanks for the heads up!

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Also to add the Indian market is so saturated any “good one” you get knows their worth and dip out at the first opportunity. Leaves giant companies left holding the bag on a model that has skeleton crews containing all the tacit knowledge with no means to do anything. “Oh well just bring in vendors to do xyz” ignoring the operational cost going forward. The current business model employed by fortune 500 companies was and is unsustainable. Great for their bottom line though.

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What’s wrong with Cisco? I heard that it has a great culture and pay.

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Why are these companies the worst? It’s a honest question since I actually don’t know much about them.

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I don’t know much about this CHWTIA. But I do know someone who works at Capgemini, can you tell me why they are considered exploitative? Genuinly curious.

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Underpay and overwork their Indian workers like a motherfucker.

Return to office is mandated back to 5 days a week and 9 hours a day minimum at some of these places. The company makes bank but the workers get cents on a dollar.

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How do you make money?

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When you’re ready to go back to the job market, I recommend you to join a company that develops a product. Not a service company that will sell you like fresh meat to its clients, like the one you listed.

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Do you have any interest in relocating outside India? You seem to have a good domain of English and softskills on top of some Linux. I wouldn’t mind taking a look at the personal projects you mention

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chatiya? chetiya? chitiya? chotiya? chutiya?

Why are you censoring yourself? I’m not sure that word means anything in English.

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That’s because even a grey market Windows key costs US$20 nowadays and that’s over ₹1,600. For comparison purposes, the largest Indian banknote is ₹500.

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…but not legal. Being poor doesn’t necessarily mean you’re inclined to break the law. Besides, Linux is useful if you perhaps want to later get a job in the tech field.

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You’re not breaking the law, you’re breaking a software license agreement. That does not automatically make it a crime, at least, that would depend on your exact local laws, and the lawyer’s interpretation of it - in many cases the actual wording around this is ambiguous and could be argued both ways. A better term for it would be a “legal grey area”, which means if you’re a company then don’t f*** around with it, and if you’re just a random user then no one gives a f***.

In any case, if those scripts were truly illegal, then the Microsoft-owned Github wouldn’t host them in the first place. Clearly Microsoft themselves don’t have an issue with it, so why should anyone else care about it?

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resold oem key is not legal as well.

only legal options are: get windows with your device or purchase retail for a hunnit $.

just accept it and pirate.

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I absolutely agree that Linux is great and I genuinely hate Windows for number of reasons. The problem is that some people just have to use Windows. This might include me in a few days, because I’m in high school and we have to install Solidworks. I think that for these people, Windows Activation Scripts are a good option that is safe (like it’s not a virus), is free (because I don’t want to pay for OS that I’m forced to use for some reason) and is safe in the meaning that there is no way of legal consequences if you are an individual, AFAIK. Also the licenses from 3rd party websites are often stolen licenses and buying them is IMO worse than activating Windows using the scripts, since you are supporting scammers.

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Who makes the laws?

Do the people making the laws respect the laws they create?

They create the laws for whom?

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Being poor doesn’t necessarily mean you’re inclined to break the law.

Really? Piracy should not be very popular there then. oh wait…

https://www.revenera.com/blog/software-monetization/software-piracy-stat-watch/

https://dataprot.net/statistics/piracy-statistics/

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why go through the trouble when linux is free?

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Sadly, some people have to use Windows.

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Is this real and safe? Why is Microsoft letting it be hosted on their own platform?

I looked at the code but the “single file version” is 10377 lines of Batch. They want me to do the power shell equivalent of curl abc.com | bash. The official website looks legit but I have no idea if this is safe or how they’re doing it.

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I dunno if that particular one is safe or not, but running a webpage as a script is asking for it.

Could be swapped to something else at any moment, and what you see if you browse to it may not be what is returned if you use the command line…

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These are the most well-known activation scripts that many people trust. They are well documented and often recommended, with more than one contributor. Written in powershell, I believe that if they were malicious, some of the 46k people who starred the repo or 4.8k people who forked it would notice. That being said, you can only be sure if you read the code, which is luckily not that difficult in the powershell script case. I personally trust them, definitely more than I trust Microsoft itself :D

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Do you have to pay for Windows still? I thought they made it free to download

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While it is free to download it, the license still costs. Though they seem to let you use it unlicensed for an unlimited amount of time with some restrictions (like not being able to change the background image and an ever present watermark). At least this was true for windows 10. No telling if/when they will drop that feature though, especially if loads of people start using it unlicensed like that (though I doubt that has any effect on people using it that way or not).

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Microsoft never gave a shit about private piracy barring some noteable examples from countries with very strict anti-piracy laws like germany. The tactic has always been to get everyonem on windows and then make the big bucks seeling the OS to enterprises, because everybody wants to use windows, since they’re at least halfway competent at that

Now, it’s my opinion that people, en masse, can’t use computers to save their fucking lives anyways and whether they’re too stupid to utilize windows or too stupid to utilize Linux doesn’t make much of a difference, but boy do the people get angry when anyone suggests switching off windows

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Only for existing users+machines who are upgrading. New machines gotta pay up.

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I mean you can use it unactivated for ever or just use a script

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No largest note was ₹2000 but just recently it got banned maybe government likely going to launch new notes?

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Was, but no longer is. It is officially discontinued, making the ₹500 note the largest for now. I would expect the Government to quickly launch a new large-denomination note. India is still a largely cash society and the largest note being worth 6 USD is surely going to be inconvenient for everyday citizens.

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People activate windows? Most of the pcs that i have seen using windows are not activated

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The Government demonetised ₹1000 and ₹2000 banknotes a few years back as part of a campaign against “black money”. The Government’s thinking was that criminal organisations hoarded large amounts of cash in these large-denomination notes, and by forcing everyone to deposit the notes immediately into the bank, it would bring light to the flow of money.

It was not particularly successful and mostly all it did was lead to a week of chaos and long queues outside banks.

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Hopefully people in India are spreading the world of Linux. Blessed they be.

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I hear even the cows run Linux. They only peer into Windows from time to time.

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Is that why India has the best programmers?

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nope. that’s why India has a lot of sweatshops and our assholes of western managers exploit them.

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It’s a little puzzling to me that Linux isn’t popular in low-income countries. Why wouldn’t it be the OS of choice there? Do we need to become linux missionaries? I imagine it would be easier to convince people who can’t buy an iPhone to use FLOSS than those who can drive to an Apple Store and waddle over to get yet another one.

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Probably because it has to compete with piracy there, not with Microsoft and Adobe and such.

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ironically enough i think microsoft (at least until very recently) has had a very lenient stance on piracy exactly because of this

piracy is the key to the consumer market in developing countries, consumer market is the key to enterprise (where the actual money lies)

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I remember switching to linux because windows was shit and because I was afraid of getting caught using pirated warez. Is there no fear of that there?

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If India is anything like my country (Brazil), corruption is rampant and enforcement outside business environments is pretty much non-existent, so, no, no one is afraid of piracy for domestic use. We used to have street vendors and booths on strip malls selling all kinds of warez on CD/DVD. The only reason they’re not around anymore is because internet speeds here are already good enough that downloading is easier. And no, no one will cut you connection because of it, our congress already approved laws saying that access to digital communication is a civic right.

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Puzzling? Windows comes preinstalled or can be pirated. Also, it’s popular, Linux isn’t. No puzzle on sight.

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Same as any other country, people use what’s preinstalled

However following that trend Chrome OS and Android have really boosted Linux’s numbers

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They know little about open source. Microsoft is exclusively in schools and government, and that is what they grow up with. They probably know more about pirating Windows, than using Linux legally. There is also a good kick-back in terms of MS license mark-ups for middle-men businesses. One would hope there is some mandatory education around different OSs as I’m sure kids would love to explore and modify software.

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It feels like those kinds of countries are perfect targets for linux and FLOSS.

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Linux and FLOSS unfortunately don’t have budgets, and rely on logic and common sense. Microsoft has a big lobbying budget, gets in to see senior politicians and decision-makers, and then sponsors training, digital villages, etc. Yes, it costs a country overall much more than Linux, but it is easier for schools/gov depts and middle-men make some actual money in their pockets. That’s what Linux and FLOSS end up against. What would turn it around is having strong local businesses driving training and making tender bids to install and support Linux and FLOSS. A government or school wants to have it done for them. That’s the reality, unfortunately.

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Two reasons, low income means no culture of paying for software, and easily corrupted government and administrations which companies like Microsoft have no problem taking advantage of to push their products to city halls, schools, hospitals, universities etc.

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I don’t think many people buy windows, laptops already comes with it and ones how can build a pc already know how to get windows for free, as far as iPhone goes, why would any one choose floss if they can’t afford iPhone? They usually choose Google services

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They don’t choose. Choice is something to make when people have enough time and resource. Instead they use what they are familiar with and have little time to grab and learn a new thing.
Free software comes with an implicit cost while pirated Windows doesn’t, ironically.

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Windows maintenance free? Are you kidding?

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What kind of maintenance do you do on windows?

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