Paraphrasing MKBHD: Buy the phone for what it has today, not what it might have tomorrow.
I’d believe the promise of 7 years of updates from any other company but definitely not Google. In the words of Logan Roy
For me, this kinda breaks both ways:
- 7 years of security updates is a promise that my phone won’t regress from where it was when I bought it - I typically buy a mid-ish range phone (currently running a Pixel 7a) when they are brand new, and run it for ~3 years before I start to want an upgrade. Lack of security updates usually forces the issue, so a phone with 7 years of security updates guarantees that I’ll want to upgrade before I’m forced to, and will be able to pass the phone along to a relative. Where I am, a claim like “we will provide security support until X” is backed up by consumer law, so I’d be entitled to a full refund if they fail to meet that guarantee.
- Buying a phone because the manufacturer promises “feature drops” or because you expect that a future version of the OS will have some amazing features you want is like buying a preorder game - you are a fool for trusting marketing without concrete details
In other words, you might not want to trust them because they killed off a Pixel Pass that 25 people signed up for, a Google Podcasts app that was basically a browser in an app shell that was given a proper replacement, a niche business presentation screen in Jamboard, and Stadia…freaking Stadia. They gave you all of your money back and let you keep the controller, guys.
It’s not a good look when right off the bat it dismisses what is valid concerns by treating the opposition like they’re just whining.
Stadia was amazing. I blame everyone but Google on its demise. You could literally play CP 2077 without a console but people still stuck to PlayStation and Xbox. Google handled the shutdown so well. I played around $500 worth of games got the money back. Kept two controllers and bought a steam deck with that money
You should blame me then. Once I saw that Google wasn’t going to honor steam library on stadia, and then charge full price for games on stadia, I noped out and never signed up.
I say this is a cloud gamer who uses G-Force now, and shadow. I was their target demographic. And they’re pricing model just noped me out of it
Once I saw that Google wasn’t going to honor steam library on stadia
That is such a weird complaint.
Google doesn’t own Steam. Google has nothing to do with Steam. Why would Google give you free games just because you purchased those same games on a competing platform?
Are you also complaining that Sony isn’t honoring your Steam library on the PlayStation? Are you complaining that Microsoft isn’t honoring the Steam library on the XBox?
Heck, are you complaining that Steam isn’t honoring the Nintendo Switch library on the Steam Deck?
I mean: what gives?
You know who else doesn’t honor steam library? PlayStation or Xbox. What a weird take
Cloud gaming is bad for history. If the game was only released for the cloud, and that game is shut down, or the cloud service shuts down, that game is gone forever.
They want to push it, because it gives them control over every aspect of the experience. They know everything you do in the game, you can’t mod it, you can’t pirate, you can’t play offline, you can’t do anything unless they say you can.
I dunno, I kinda don’t disagree with them. Companies discontinue products all the time, and Google just seems to get a lot more flak for it.
Apples discontinued the iPod, and a bunch of different hardware devices. I’m about as worried that they’ll discontinue the iPhone as I am that Google will discontinue the pixel line.
Google discontinue a lot more than almost anyone else though. It’s a meme at this point how often they kill things off. Does a website like this exist for any other company?
Well, no, but that doesn’t mean that it’s an accurate assessment.
Additionally, have you ever actually read what they put on that site? If Google changes the name of a product, then they “killed” the original. If they merge a product into another, then they killed one or both.
Did you know they killed Google street view? It’s now just a tab in maps. They also at one point had “leaving reviews of businesses” as a separate system, which they also killed by making it a core feature.
But yes, Google does kill more products than some other companies. They also make more products available than others. Apple has never developed a car, a series of bipedal robots, or blood sugar monitoring contact lenses.
So yeah, it’s a meme. I don’t generally take memes as honest statements of fact.
I’m not sure I get your point, people should not doubt Google’s promise not because they don’t discontinue product but because everyone does?
More that the concern feels hyperbolic. You should feel as much concern of Google canceling a flagship product as you do about apple doing so. I don’t see iPhones, pixels, or say, Kindles going anywhere soon.
It just doesn’t feel like a reasonable concern, proportional to how much attention it gets.
I think more Pixel’s a true flagship product. Big Tech corps are always launching likely contenders, then they evaluate them over time and if the benefits don’t realize or they find a better product it gets discontinued.
But some products are proven. The only way Alphabet and Apple would discontinue their flagship phones is if there’s some kind of mass turn away from mobile phones. Same as how Alphabet is not going to exit the search engine field.
Because the opposition frames the situation as Google never keeping any promise ever, in addition to refusing to acknowledge Google’s positive precedent with Android updates.
If you view the Android update situation in isolation, you’ll see that in the 10+ years Google has sold Pixel and Nexus phones, they have kept each one of their Android update promises.
The thing is, google guarantees 7 years of support, they can’t cancel that. The services they closed had no promise on the longevity
In 2015 Google said “With Google Photos, you can now back up and store unlimited high-quality photos and videos for free”. This is no longer true, even considering their vague corporate speak promise of “unlimited high-quality”. By Google’s own wording within the Google Photos app the options are “Original quality” or “Storage Saver”. There is no high-quality unlimited option.
But it’s not even about explicit promises. It’s about the constant erosion of user trust. Having to read into the details and interpret marketing vs legal speak does nothing to alleviate that Google has done this to themselves.
This lacks context and they did keep this promise after a fashion. They never promised it would be consistent across any phones but the pixel line at the time, and additionally never said it would continue on new pixel phones.
We’re now at the point where tech media has turned and will now have you believe Google should be questioned, is untrustworthy, and that their promise means nothing
This is worse than even the most insufferable apple fanboy.
Google! Untrustworthy!
God I can’t imagine why anyone would think that
I’ve been involved with different companies setting up their cloud presence and negotiating prices, and while Google is a contender, they have to aggressively price themselves at the large corporate level because a lot of people in the room don’t have trust in them. Why would we onboard to your platform if we don’t think you’re going to be around very long? It’ll take us years to fully migrate, and then once we’re in you could shut it down on a whim.
I’m not saying that’s a deciding factor at the corporate level for people, but it is a discussion factor that other contenders like AWS or Microsoft azure do not have. So their retail graveyard definitely impacts them at every level
What a fucking bootlicker.
In defense of Google, I have a first-gen Pixel that still gets unlimited Google Photos uploads.
This phone is seven years old and Google had kept its commitment that photo uploads would remain free for the life of the phone.
Also in defense of Google - I’m still grandfathered in to the $8 plan for YouTube premium because I signed up and have remained subscribed since 2013 when they offered promotional pricing at the beginning of Google Play Music. Years later, they added YouTube Red (now Premium) to the subscription which REALLY sweetened the pot. But they’ve never bumped my subscription price up.
Same here. At $8 it’s an amazing value. I plan on keeping it until they kill off parts of it or raise the price.
The Pixel hasn’t left the house since 2018. All it has done since then is run SyncThing and upload the photos/videos taken by my current phones.
I’ve never heard of Syncthings, could you tell me more about it? Sounds interesting!
Be prepared to pay when it dies. I assumed it wouldn’t count when I got a new phone. It does. So now they want me to sign up for a plan. Well, now they want me to pay more for a higher tier. I got a nas instead. I’m cancelling the plan.
I never had to do this with all the media I uploaded via my Pixel 2 back when it has those benefits. Everything I uploaded that way counts zero toward my storage cap, to this day.
I forgot that I had years of free uploads from my Pixel 2. That eventually expired. But I never had to pay for those uploads.
I also had 100 extra GB for two years for being one of the first Google Maps guides, populating the map with the first photos of businesses etc. When that expired, I did have to start paying. Google are smart - they got me addicted to having all my files right there wherever I was. It’s only $20ish per year for that tier, I have been happy to pay for it. I think this might be what happened to you. You may have had some sort of promotion that expired.
