Clown company doing clown things.
To be fair, I’m not aware of any fediverse instances or other reddit alternatives that even have an appeals process. Reddit might be throwing away its best features, but it is a feature its competitors don’t even have yet.
And get re-banned if you post on the first instance from the remote. You can still be kicked out of communities because of misunderstandings and power tripping admins.
Lemmy.dbzer0.com has an appeals matrix channel 😁
Yeah, but that doesn’t matter when the rules of dbzer0 prohibit prosocial behaviour. It’s against the instance rules to insult someone for being a nazi.
Honestly, I don’t think a message board has to have one. If a mod is powertripping, then why would you want to be a part of the community? If they’re not, then you’re probably not a good fit for the community and the mod doesn’t have to deal with trolls and angry back-and-forth’s.
That isn’t to say what Reddit did isn’t wrong. They established that system and they have a culture of appeals. Suddenly removing that isn’t really fair from a “social contract” or whatever perspective.
Honestly, I don’t think a message board has to have one. If a mod is powertripping, then why would you want to be a part of the community?
Example: To make sure nonsensical posts, for example from tankies, get countered.
If they’re not, then you’re probably not a good fit for the community
Same example: I an not supposed to disrupt their little get-together-with-bullshit.
It doesn’t have to have a fair appeals policy, but an instance that has an appeals policy is one that you would probably want to join more. So an instance should have a fair appeals policy, because that’s what the users who use the instance want - assuming the instance wants users.
As for what reddit did, there’s a lot of pulling the rug out that you’re casually ignoring. Reddit is what it is because of the users that contributed to it. In spite of Huffman talking about “their dataset”, they don’t actually own the data - it belongs to the users, reddit merely has a license.
Now, reddit is trying to change the rules - as a user, you’re no longer in charge of the subreddit you created and became moderator of anymore, you’re expected to serve “will of the users” (as defined by reddit admin), the users you attracted to the house you built. Reddit was founded on the idea “if you don’t like it, make your own space, and users will flock towards the better one”.
Reddit changed the moderator code of conduct. And yet, if you strictly apply the moderator code of conduct as they sometimes do, it completely undermines many of the bans that reddit admin also enforce. They’re hypocrits, now all they want is to exploit everyone that put them where they are.
If a mod is powertripping, then why would you want to be a part of the community?
Because the size of a community matters, and they’re not fungible. Back on reddit, my city’s subreddit was run by power-tripping mods. Sure, I could try to create an alternative – and somebody actually did – but it had multiple orders of magnitudes fewer users than the original sub and almost nobody would actually see what you posted there, so what’s the fucking point?
The entire reason I wanted to comment in the original sub was to try to politically persuade and influence people in my city. Censoring me from that sub was extremely effective even if alternatives theoretically existed.
Ehh . . sort of?
Appealing a ban for a social media post is . . . I dunno. Weird.
Well in this case, my best guess is I’ve been banned because I contacted a mod team that doesn’t want to hear from me. Problem is, they’re leaking sensitive chats from back when I was a mod and using them to attack me on other platforms. I asked them to stop. I’m a victim of harassment, but they probably reported me and the Reddit employees don’t care enough about doing their jobs to investigate. I’ve been in situations like this before, and I was able to resolve it through the appeals process. But that’s not going to happen if they don’t tell me precisely why I’ve been banned or let me appeal it.
Most instances have some way of contacting the admins and talking things out. Unlike Reddit’s “did anyone even read this?” process, they tend to be actual people who actually answer.
No, they don’t. You can’t contact the admins from an account you can’t log into, and you can’t log into a suspended account. Also, your PMs won’t be seen by any user native to a remote instance you’ve been banned from, including admins.
I got banned for telling someone it’s important to check for cancer, on a post about a sports person that died from rectal cancer, and I was banned permanently for “harassment”.
I appealed and lost.
Yeah, bad actors have weaponised the harassment rule to get people banned. I was banned because a tankie sub - that I had previously thought was cool - banned me from out of nowhere with an automated message and no explanation. Putting 2 & 2 together it was clearly for an anti-tankie post I made on a different sub. Literally a kind of harassment in itself. When I said “What the fuck?” In my reply, I was banned reddit-wide.
Like they’ve gotta just be fishing for anything they can call harasment to get their ideological enemies kicked.
Yeah I got banned from greenandpleasent the same time Russia invaded Ukraine because it was taken over by a bunch of boot lickers and likely actual paid russian shills, probably some of the same crowd hosting hexbear et al. And got a site wide ban soon after…
In a weird way, it’s kind of “so left wing it curled round the back and ended up on the far right”.
If you think of “left wing” as in “we support Pol Pot, Stalin, Putin etc” rather than “let’s open a community-run vegan art cafe to promote understanding between diverse social groups”.
There’s two definitions, the former means redfash who overlook the fascist elements of former socialisms, particularly those of Marxist-Leninist orientation. (the fact they use tankie rather than redfash should tell you they’re not entirely comfortable using fascist as a pejorative, want to guess why?)
The latter is basically a dog whistle used by reactionaries to mean communist. Basically a synonym of “woke” for those not overtly racist and applies to anyone with left-of-hitler politics. Think your blue maga types who swear they’re progressive.
Regardless, the word was invented by the CIA to sew division among the left and should not be used by anyone.
If you approach things from a scientific perspective, the meaning of harassment is just “political speech I don’t like”. Some kinds of political speech, like protests and appeals, are important and should be allowed, but can easily be labelled harassment. Other kinds of political speech, like sexual harassment or hate speech, are bad. “Harassment” as a word isn’t a useful one. Two people having a fight are harassing each other, regardless of who’s right. We have created a society that hates political speech and welcomes the use of state and corporation violence to suppress dissenting politics.
I don’t say this from a place of callousness. I’ve been a victim of the most vicious harassment and it’s given me PTSD. And what I learned from the experience is, talented manipulators and people with social power will always benefit from being able to call political speech harassment.
harassment is just “political speech I don’t like”
Some communities on Lemmy have switched to calling it “misinformation”. As in: you provide links to reputable sources to support your point, and it’s “misinformation”.
Harassment seems to be more of a label for “too many people downvoted you, and you still dared to answer”.
God that’s actually worse than my banning (I posted a Google Streetview link of a layby). Incredible. Has anyone ever appealed and won? Ever?
I won my appeal once. I was banned for “hate speech”. I was literally being 100% sarcastic against someone who was truly being a hateful shithead. I assume I was banned by an idiot who doesn’t understand sarcasm exists, but unbanned by someone who has talked to another human before.
Sorry, I don’t know where or how I broke the rules, can you show and explain it to me?
No
But then how will I avoid breaking rules in the future?
Yes
“Please familiarise yourself with reddits content policy… which doesnt matter because your banned for life anyway”
Nothing new, actually. When I was banned years ago (suspiciously after calling out some astroturfing), they didn’t give a reason either.
I pointed out that the Australian subreddits were being very obviously astro-turfed. And then I made a post naming the Aus PR companies that were openly running bot campaigns on Reddit and who was using them.
That account got banned in record fucking time lol. And no reason was given either, it was a site-wide IP ban. Luckily one call to my ISP and that was sorted lol.
Mind if I ask how long ago you were banned? It seems like over the last 6-9 months nationalist subreddits have ended up with a huge amount of sway in gettting people banned for arguing with them.
IP ban isn’t the only way they can get you though. I’ve had them catch me out even with a fresh IP. They fingerprint browsers, using their own implementation of backend Google captcha (you don’t connect to gstatic.com, but redditstatic.com).
I think they use the email too. I once made a second with the same email and it was fine for a few minutes and then banned. I hadn’t voted or commented on anything yet.
Then I made another with a brand new email on a different service and it too was banned pretty quick before I engaged with anything. That one I think was fingerprinted because my home IP changes every couple months naturally, so I wasn’t on the same IP that would have been banned. Also sometime around then I started using a VPN and it was still banned, so I’m thinking it was a fingerprint.
At that point I was kinda over it but I was curious about the system. So I tried once more with another new service email, on a different IP from being on a mobile away from home. That one worked. It probably still works, but I don’t remember it or the password or the email I made for it. So it’s out there somewhere, but I don’t care any more because this all finished up around the time reddit killed third party apps, so I found this and my app came over, so I just entered the fediverse.
I still have my NSFW account there which does still have all of my niche interests in far greater supply than I’ve found here so far. I’ve got my NSFW account here, but all the communities die pretty quick, so it’s not much use yet.
sounds about right. I got perma banned for “harassment” for essentially saying spez is a piece of shit lol
I got perma banned because I’ve gotten 4 or 5 accounts banned over the years for being toxic and harassing people. I made a joking “call to violence” and they hit me with a perma.
Meh. I deserved it for sure. If they let me back on the platform I’d do it again 😈
It’s so weird how people want to downvote you for trolling shitty Reddit. If you love it so much, go back?
Yea this recently happened to me. A had an argument with a mod and he reported a non offensive comment I had on his subreddit as a ban evasion. I got suspended for ban evasion despite not having another account. After my suspension ended he reported the exact same comment again giving me a second suspension. After the 3rd time I got banned entirely. 10+ year account with no prior suspensions/bans just gone because of one mod. Between that and RIF being gone, I’m just done with reddit.
Also ran afoul with a mod. Merari01 specifically. I reported one of his comments, and he sent it up as abuse of the report button. Insta perma banned. My account was registered in 2010.
Reddit’s been awful for a while though so the loss wasn’t too bad.
I dunno, I have like 15 accounts. One gets banned I move to the next lol!
