The German government said on Sunday it was reviewing its hundreds of millions of euros of aid for Palestinians following the biggest attack on Israel in years by Palestinian Islamist group Hamas.
Development Minister Svenja Schulze said the government had always been careful to check that the money was only used for peaceful ends.
“But these attacks on Israel mark a terrible fracture,” she said. “We will now review our entire engagement for the Palestinian territories.”
Israelis murder Palestinians, destroy their homes, attack schools and hospitals, shoot children, shoot doctors, bulldoze their refugee camps, etc etc, constantly, for decades and the world turns a blind eye.
Whenever there’s an attack from the Palestinians the world loses it’s shit.
Of course all deaths are bad but Israel are the oppressors here. Their actions are vile and now Netanyahu has said it’s “war”. If it’s war now what the fuck was it before?
Buddy you summed up my sentiments exactly. It feels like the whole fucking world is suffering from some form of amnesia. What do they expect the Palestinians to do, just accept their own extermination?
What do they expect the Palestinians to do, just accept their own extermination?
I mean you can fight back against your oppressors without massacring civilians, many of whom aren’t even Isrealis
I am not sure I understand the logic behind fighting a war of extermination when the other side is stronger and can actually exterminate you
The logic is you hide within the general population and count on the other side to be “more civilized”. Or you’re enough of a sociopath to want the response to hit the general population to radicalize people just trying to live their lives
That’s because people don’t pay attention. There have been several times over the last few years where I see a story of IDF leveling an apartment block or executing a group of people, it’s always hand-waved as “they were terrorists, trust me Bro I’m looking at the evidence that I can’t show you for security reasons”
And the world turns.
Days later one of the victims sorry TERRORISTS stabs an IDF soldier on the street? PROOF THAT ALL PALESTINIANS ARE TERRORISTS is the gist of every news outlet.
When you move into your neighbors pool house, don’t be surprised when they chase you around with a baseball bat.
Yes, it IS unfortunate that civilians get caught in the crossfire. But when one side started by targeting civilians, it’s not as simple as “these guys are terrorists and the people who fight them are inherently good” like a shitload of people are trying to make it out to be.
Hamas sets up military operations in a civilian building by force - the civilians have no say in this and get killed if they protest Hamas then uses that building to launch rockets, store ammunition, communication stations How the fuck should Israel proceed to neutralize those sites? Because what they do is:
“Roof knocking”: Hitting the building’s roof with a small explosive to announce that it will fall in 15 minutes (see video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teevWpXlRZY example from yesterday) Automatic SMS and phone calls impacted areas warning and urging to evacuate Precision strikes that make the building fall vertically with minimal damage to the areas As a result, civilians (and potentially military personnel) are given a chance to evacuate while ammunition stashes, rocket launching stations etc stay in the building and are destroyed.
To be honest, I’m shocked those protocols are still used after Hamas’s attack. I would absolutely not be surprised of these measures stopped.
The anti-Israel don’t care that Israel is bending over backwards to minimize human suffering while fighting a decades long war against people who are deliberately trying to kill their children.
Remember how upset they are when Israel does something 100 percent defensive, like build a security fence to keep out an endless stream of suicide bombers?
This isn’t good-faith criticism.
These people hate Israel for this that they works be applauding other countries for. And we all know why
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it’s always hand-waved as “they were terrorists,
We have no way of verifying facts and obviously there was no trial in those cases, yet they have been consistently in response to terrorist attacks.
The whole area is a shitty complex mess with a long history of violence back and forth. Claiming there’s a simple solution is just naïveté, saying Israel doesn’t have a right to respond is just stupid. I have no idea if there is a way to fix it, but I know pressuring one side to not respond to terrorism is not it
No one is pearl clutching over dead soldiers, but when you machine gun down several hundred music festival attendees (incl. foreign nationals), rape the women, parade their naked defiled corpses around so others can spit on them, and upload the video to share with everyone, you’re going to get some international condemnation and re-evaluation of support.
Ironic since Israel has practiced “kneecapping” for years during protests. The reality of the situation is that both sides are shitty. But one of the sides gets a complete pass, while the other gets shat on and ignored.
Wait, so you’re saying that bad IDF acts justify sadistically murdering hundreds of civilians at a music festival? Well, that is some beautifully circular logic, because now whatever warcrimes the IDF commits during this war, which seems likely, magically become a wash.
So when videos come out of dead Palestine kids in Gaza, I imagine you’ll gladly accept the same argument when someone points back to the festival and says “It’s justified because of this”, right?
I mean this attack very openly and clearly targeted German nationals. Its not odd for a government to oppose another government (if you can call hamas that) when they just up and kill and mutilate your citizens with impunity. Of course governments should also care about other people’s being killed but frankly they can’t for the most part because their interests always align with what’s best for their own people and close diplomatic ties is better than aggression. You kill their people, well no amount of grandstanding will save you.
Yep, both sides just fired thousands of rockets at civilians, intentionally shot hundreds of civilians at a festival, in homes, or on the streets. Both sides kidnapped civilians, including foreign nationals, and publish torture videos, defiling bodies, etc. both sides not just kill soldiers on the other side but raid, torture, publish video defiling their bodies. Yep, same exact thing.
This “what aboutism” is as bad as the Hamas guy saying this is all just to get international attention for their plight. Yep, I see you as terrorists, and won’t object to however Israel responds, nor will I object to any support for Israel, including military. They’ve just given most of the world a reason to rally around Israel and ok whatever they do. Good strategy
All Western governments need to evaluate “aid” to countries like Palestine. Billions are sent each year to countries like Afghanistan, and it’s immediately used to oppress, abuse, and murder women and minorities. We need to stop funding terrorists and pretending to be surprised when they use our funds to terrorise people.
There was hope people are less easy to abuse when they suffer less, and have some education.
There’s also a humanitarian argument to be made. After all, these are humans, not everyone’s pawn.
I agree it did not work as well. On the other side, we don’t know how much worse it could have been without outside help.
Nobody ever “reviews aid” for Israel, no matter what crimes they commit.
Then again, Israel didn’t go into another country and behead people at the party.
I didn’t pick a side, it’s just bullshit to talk about centuries or millennia in this context.
Doesn’t help that they murdered a German citizen at a peace festival and then paraded her naked body through the streets to be spit on.
Got a source on this 6am “peace festival”?
Edit: CNN reports it as “an all-night dance party, celebrating the Jewish holiday of Sukkot” https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/07/middleeast/israel-gaza-fighting-hamas-attack-music-festival-intl-hnk/index.html
Certainly not what I said, it’s just important to fight misinformation, or worse - propaganda.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/260-dead-at-israel-peace-festival-hamas-attack/
More than 260 bodies have been found at the site of a peace rave
toke me about 10 seconds to find this.
Considering CNN changed their reporting to say “The outdoor Nova Festival event in a rural farmland area near the Gaza-Israel border was supposed to be an all-night dance party, celebrating the Jewish holiday of Sukkot.” Instead of the previously reported “peace festival”, I’m much more inclined to believe that.
