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“The works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of oranges dumped on the ground. The people came for miles to take the fruit, but this could not be. How would they buy oranges at twenty cents a dozen if they could drive out and pick them up? And men with hoses squirt kerosene on the oranges, and they are angry at the crime, angry at the people who have come to take the fruit. A million people hungry, needing the fruit- and kerosene sprayed over the golden mountains. And the smell of rot fills the country. Burn coffee for fuel in the ships. Burn corn to keep warm, it makes a hot fire. Dump potatoes in the rivers and place guards along the banks to keep the hungry people from fishing them out. Slaughter the pigs and bury them, and let the putrescence drip down into the earth.

There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. The fertile earth, the straight tree rows, the sturdy trunks, and the ripe fruit. And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange. And coroners must fill in the certificate- died of malnutrition- because the food must rot, must be forced to rot. The people come with nets to fish for potatoes in the river, and the guards hold them back; they come in rattling cars to get the dumped oranges, but the kerosene is sprayed. And they stand still and watch the potatoes float by, listen to the screaming pigs being killed in a ditch and covered with quick-lime, watch the mountains of oranges slop down to a putrefying ooze; and in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage.” ― John Steinbeck, The Grapes of Wrath

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Well this quote makes me wish I finished reading that book…

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Hey, it’s never too late! I didn’t appreciate it back in high school, but it’s an incredible read as an adult.

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I never read the book, but I am aware of the quote. I need to listen to it on audiobook

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I seem to recall food stores paying armed security to guard their trash. They spent money guarding trash with guns rather than letting someone survive that capitalism has deemed “unworthy”

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Weird that we’re letting sociopaths run things and not barring them from positions of power. Why are we letting it be an argument that there should be a higher basic standard of living? Can’t give food cause there’s no profit in it, abundance in homelessness but companies buying up houses is okay, second and third rate medical care cause it’s cheaper for the insurance companies.

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This was the reason for the Irish potato famine. They were growing wheat but we’re forced to sell it or they would lose their farms to landlords.

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There was plenty of food. It was largely requisitioned by the British military.

The peasants were allowed to grow some food for their own survival: which mostly were potatoes. When the blight swept the island, the plentiful edible food was still taken, and the farmers were left with nothing. The ones that tried to keep any bread, milk or butter lost their farms, if not their lives.

It is why it is called the Great Hunger.

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To a capitalist, a forest has no value until it’s cut down.

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Or counted as offsetting five times the carbon emissions it eventually might, given ideal future circumstances.

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In america you have the right to buy a forest and bulldoze it. You have the right to fill in wetlands with concrete to build a wal Mart

But only if you can afford it

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To prevent starving, establish UBI.

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I believe UBI will never come to pass because the rich have too much to lose. Imagine a workforce not beholden to the capitalists?

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“The rich” have names and addresses.

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And never walk without a small army.

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If enough people want it, they can overpower the relatively few rich. But most of the people have bought I to the lies of the rich; social media is probably a convenient tool for the rich and powerful to control the opinions of others.

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It’s changing. At least here in Australia, it feels like there has been a shift.

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Actually the capitalists have the most incentive to implement UBI. Better paid workers are more likely to turn around and buy the shit they were just making for themselves, and if the rich are not kept away from the megaphone, an improperly done UBI will be made an excuse to strip welfare benefits.

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We can have UBI right now if we pledge 10% of our income and pay it voluntarily.

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I would love to see regulations define “fair profit.”

Material costs + labor costs + fair profit = retail price.

Fair profit cannot be more than X% of retail price.

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I’d say that fair profit is a ratio of materials+labor costs. Basically a supply chain merchant’s VAT. Find a rate at which a well run shop is able to turn a profit allowing it to hire more workers and expand if successful enough, and cap the “fair profit” at whatever that is as a ratio to labor and material costs.

Really the worst hit industries will be ones that are particularly prone to brand taxing, and it actually disincentivizes offshoring since cheaping out on labor and regulatory costs correspondingly limits your upper profit margins.

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Companies just need to be kept small, if they can afford to expand then it means they are making too much money

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Can’t have corporations when suddenly everyone has freedom to choose what they do for work.

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Co-ops already exist.

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You need competition. The milk surplus, you want that. Companies should compete and only demand what they need to keep going.

But if you do that, there is no real owning class. So you need other ways to finance innovation.

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Studies have shown that, at least in the states, inflation is basically independent of wage growth.

Not to mention how being the guy who doesn’t jack up prices will automatically hand you a significant market advantage. In non cartel organized markets every competitor has a prisoner’s dilemma incentivizing them to betray the others if an unspoken price increasing agreement is put into effect.

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Lol so they can just raise food and rent prices?

Simp

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