158 points

If a deal does not go through, it makes Labour look bad.

No it fucking doesnt. Not giving a fuck about US demands is the most popular thing you can do right now.

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And also the correct thing, from any position of reason.

Trying to control the way other countries are run is fucking wild, the notion of which should never even be remotely entertained.

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Trying to control the way other countries are run is fucking wild, the notion of which should never even be remotely entertained.

In happier times, we call the process “diplomacy,” and mostly limit it to things that affect us, directly or indirectly.

But pressuring other countries to, for example, clean up their corruption so we can reliably do business with them is common. (Also hilariously hypocritical) Pressuring other countries to enact civil rights laws is fairly common, too.

I have to admit, seeing pressure to remove civil rights is unusual, at least from countries not named UAE.

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Diplomacy is fine, but the US wanting to change something in the UK that is neither a humanitarian issue or something that affects them at all, is like your car mechanic telling you what kind of furniture you’re allowed to have in your house if you want him to work on your car.

He could technically do it, but it’s also fucking absurd and you’d most definitely go to a different mechanic.

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What exactly do LGBT issues have to do with trade policy? Why is this on the table? Is there supposed to be some big gay conspiracy to devalue currency or something? It’s all so idiotic.

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The cruelty is the point.

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5: Fear of difference. “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.”

12: Machismo and weaponry. “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.”

Umberto Eco’s List of the 14 Common Features of Fascism

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I’d guess that it’s probably broader than LGBT issues, if they’re taking — and the article is not clear on this, and the source anonymous — issue with hate speech laws in general.

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It’s an attempt to normalize the fear/hate of LGBTQ+ people on an international level. As long as the administration continues to constantly press this issue, much like the “mere exposure” advertising effect, it doesn’t matter if people believe it nor not, the more times people hear a thing, the more likely they are to adopt that belief or feeling, even to a tiny degree.

That tiny degree, when continually pressed, when continually exposed, over large populations, influences a large number of people.

As long as they have an enemy group they can pin their problems on, they will keep going and keep ramping up the atrocities until we see mass graves. Again. (Seriously, how many times do we have to see mass graves in our nations before we decide that our leadership needs to be thrown down a well.)

If you guys care, please don’t just rant on Lemmy or other internet spaces. Go talk to your family members. Talk to your friends. If you don’t have friends, GO MAKE FRIENDS. GO MAKE ENEMIES. Our anti-social, paranoid, self-absorbed internet shut-in culture is making all of this tragedy possible.

Guys, you HAVE to push through those terrifying feelings of engaging with strangers. You HAVE to get social again. We don’t win this behind keyboards.

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The very Un-American US President Trump and his administration are trying to Americanise the rest of the world.

Fuck. Right. Off.

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To “un-americanise” the rest of the world. Im still salty that some people genuinely think he’s doing anything positive whatsoever.

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“Americanize” is not something positive, that’s the point.

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That’s fair, I can’t pretend it’s had a positive implication in a long time

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“No free speech, no deal. It is as simple as that,”

did i warp into the onion without realizing?

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Look at all that free speech the USA has, where people are being disappeared to an overseas concentration camp for saying genocide is wrong, or having the FBI investigate them for speaking critically about Trump, or imprisoned at the border for criticizing him online. Whereas in the UK, these days you get arrested and thrown in jail if you say you’re English, don’t you?

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“No free speech, no deal. It is as simple as that,”

So he’s going to push this condition onto everyone that they deal with right? Saudi Arabia and Israel for example.

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Israel is USA, and SA can do whatever the fuck they want as long as they pay up (i.e. produce oil, buy weapons, whatever).

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Putin needs Saudi Arabia to not start an oil price war, which Russia would loose.

The US support of Israel is making the US less popular around the world.

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This is the point of Trump dealing with the UK over the EU. They’re more isolated since Brexit and therefore more easily intimidated.

Saudi Arabia and Israel both already have the type of freeze peach this fascist desires.

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Since January. Very oniony, but not very funny.

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Oniony in the sense that it makes me want to cry.

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He’s got work to do on his side considering he’s basically ignoring the 1st Amendment and deporting political critics

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Yeah they also told the UK they’d get a totally sweet trade deal if they did a Brexit, and that deal never materialized, did it?

Don’t fall for their shit twice. That’s America’s problem - falling for it over and over again.

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Where do you think they got it from?

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The English are indeed the dumbest of all the humans on the earth, I’m hoping the UK has enough welsh and scottish influences that they can steer the ship away from calamity

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