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Sigh I hate getting into it on social media, but this is just blatantly untrue.

Hamas has shown just how brutal they are willing to be the past few days and they explicitly have in their charter the destruction of Israel. Hamas given the chance would absolutely ethically cleanse all of the Levant of Jews. The PLO has a martyr fund for dying while killing Israelis. Israel not fighting would absolutely lead to complete destruction.

On the other hand, if Israel wanted to, it could completely wipe out any and all Palestinian areas. Palestine has no real air force, navy, or artillery and wouldn’t be able to stop them. The only reason Israel hasn’t done so is they have decided not to.

This isn’t commentary on the entire conflict or the history or who is right/wrong. I’m just pointing out that this is factually incorrect.

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Correct, the situation is much more nuanced than a simple sign could say. Both sides have rights and very wrongs about them. The only thing that should really be on signs should be “both sides should stop the violence and talk it through”, but we all know about how well that would go. Still, star trek taught me that should be the goal.

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Great point! Have you seen the documentary Star Wars btw? They have some interesting counterpoints on the use of violence against one’s oppressors in the interest of obtaining freedom from said oppressors.

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“both sides should stop the violence and talk it through”

Hard to have a sit-down talk when one side (Palestine) outright says their goal is to kill all Jews and Christians.

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sigh why do these oppressed people hate their oppressors so much? Why do they have to fight for their freedom instead of just being nice?

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yeah its sorta the reverse given hamas vs israel official stance on each others existence.

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It’s true for both sides as they both can’t tolerate one another.

I see no possible solution without a third power establishing a wide ass DMZ between the two and make sure the zone fucks over both equally. Ideally they’ll stop hating each other and focus on the DMZ being ass. Might give us relative peace for like a decade or two.

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Those territories are so small that a dmz might just be the entire area…

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Exactly, surely both will hate it. Classic parenting, if you can’t play nice no one can have it, puts toy on shelf. The really expensive part is building the infrastructure needed on the little space left to house all the people displaced. But hey work for a shit ton of people

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Incorrect. This statement is only true if Israel had started the war. Hamas started the War. Israel has to defend itself otherwise Hamas has already shown it will kill citizens of Israel. Hamas has gone as far as indoctrination of kids. You want to know who is in the right? The Palestinian National Authority. No one else

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Hamas didn’t exist at the start of the conflict actually. They formed in response to and with funding from Israel in the 80s and 90s.

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I am referring to what started on the 7th.

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And I think restricting context and acting like anything started recently is an inaccurate way to frame what’s going on. This conflict has been going on far longer than a week. Wars don’t just pop up out of nowhere, they are based on context from before the war.

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Hamas has gone as far as indoctrination of kids.

As well as the Israelis, just ask any of them what they think about the Palestinian people.

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Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

Hamas has gone as far as indoctrination of kids

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.

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History is a really important subject. I think a lot of people just dont undrstand this conflict. And a lot of people who do understand it are evil. Basically nobody is in the right. Where do you put the israelis who lived there for generations? Where do you put the palestanians who lived there for several generations? How do you solve the religious and cultural conflicts. Its an extremely complicated war. Not to mention that its not the civilians who start a war its the stupid leaders and terrorists aka hamas, us, israeli government. Well this is my view i may have got things wrong but i dont know the exact details of it.

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Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

Hamas has gone as far as indoctrination of kids

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.

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Just fucking leave each other be, go fight it out in CSGO or something. Wars are fucking stupid and pointless.

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Rocket League bo5 and I’m in

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