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I would rather see people use Firefox than Vivaldi. We need a more diverse browser engine market to keep the web open. More here: https://better-tech.eu/web/article/switch-browsers/

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We need a more diverse browser engine market to keep the web open.

We definitely do, but it’s a tall order considering making a fully functional and daily usable browser engine is one of the most difficult programming projects to under take

At least we got Ladybird with its brand new from scratch engine coming up though! (In 2028…)

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It’s absolutely not a simple thing, but if we let the web turn into Chrome-only then Ladybird doesn’t stand a chance. For now, more market share for Firefox and Firefox-based browsers is the only argument against making websites only work in Chrome.

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Especially if Chrome is bought by OpenAI or some of the other players who want to enshittify it even faster and have shown interest.

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I can’t get behind a browser built from scratch with C, not Rust, considering how integral browsers are to security these days. Plus there’s the whole controversy around their pronouns and politics in coding stances.

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what’s wrong with C? if it’s causing issues that it’s written in C, it’s the developers whom are being entrusted with projects that are out of their depth in a project they shouldn’t be responsible for at fault rather than the time-tested language

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i use librewolf on PC (which is a firefox fork) and vivaldi on phone :3

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Fennec or Vanadium are good alt phone browsers, too. I do my best not to use chromium stuff at all, but keep the latter around on the work profile of my phone.

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Waterfox too!

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I use Floorp (a Japanese Firefox fork) on PC, and Ironfox on Android.

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Not sure it’s a good idea to recommend Arch Linux to newbies migrating from Windows; maybe prioritize Mint or similar?

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this is not a recommendation post. this is what i personally use as i said in the title. i would always recommend Mint to a Linux beginner

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I misread, my bad. Good for you 👍

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OP writes “instead of their american counterparts”, and then puts signal.

Firefox as well any opensource doesn’t have a country. You can build it and use it. Avoid any centralized service.

The 4 freedoms of software are:

Freedom 0: The Freedom to Run

    You can use the software for any purpose, without restrictions.

Freedom 1: The Freedom to Study and Modify

    You have access to the source code, allowing you to study how the software works and make changes to suit your needs.

Freedom 2: The Freedom to Distribute Copies

    You can share copies of the software with others, whether for free or at a cost.

Freedom 3: The Freedom to Improve and Share Improvements

    You can modify the software and share your changes with the community, helping others benefit from your improvements.

as long as these freedoms are observed it doesn’t matter the country of origin.

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Signal is based in California, but they’re a nonprofit.

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I thought it was odd to see it in an European alternative list.

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I don’t personally have issues with nonprofits or FOSS as exceptions to my own personal boycott of US companies, but if anyone is looking for an alternative to Signal, SimpleX is probably the closest analog.

It’s decentralized and funded globally. It’s based in the UK.

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Session is good alternative

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Nice, I hadn’t heard of that one. For anyone wondering, it’s pretty loose on who owns it, but the nonprofit that keeps things moving forward is based in Australia.

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Some of these products would not exist without their American counterpart, which directly fuel their existance.

Librewolf is just a hardened version of Firefox. It would not exist without the Firefox team continuing to develop Firefox and to fix its security issues.

Ecosia primarely uses Bing and Startpage uses Google for search results. Both would not exist without the search engines backing them.

I’m not saying these are bad products and I don’t mean to criticiseze. I’m actually a librewolf user myself. I just think it is important to point out that the European label might be deceiving in this instance and might mislead people into thinking they are using something different than they actually are.

It might also not be so important. Perhaps focusing our energy on good open source projects and NGO-backed initiatives is desirable regardless of their origin?

idk food for thought

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Ecosia is actively developing their own search index together with Qwant. They are rolling out French and German results this year actually. AFAIK only like Mojeek and like Swisscow have their own search index (as well as Brave which is US based). But their current search results aren’t really that great which is why I will stick to Qwant.

I also don’t fully trust Brave because of their whole crypto involvement but their search engine is pretty good from experience and definitely much better in terms of privacy than google.

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I’ve been using Ecosia for over a year now, it serves my purposes well!

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Ohh cool I didn’t know that. I’ll take a look myself and test them some more. I’ve recently been using Duckduckgo again since abandoning Kagi

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