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Much like that UN report classifying Israel’s action against Palestinians as Apartheid (which is criminal in international law), much will be said and very little will be done about this. The state of Israel has been going against international law and agreements for almost its entire existence: see its support for illegal colonies and the walling and ghettoization of the West Bank and Gaza. Israel’s government has confidence that the US and NATO won’t do anything to stop their criminal actions against Palestinians because that is what they’ve been doing for the last half century. They will continue to coddle Israel until it fulfills its goal of completely exterminating or expelling Palestinians from the land between the river and the sea, forging a state with a single ethnicity, culture and religion out of Palestine.

PS: just before anyone claims it: no, I do not support gratuitous acts of terrorism by Hamas, just as I don’t support Israel’s terrorism against Palestinians. All I’m trying to do is point out the historical context of the current conflict, so that nothing is distorted.

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The EU may support Israel, but right now they’re calling them out for this bullshit and I’m applauding them for that. Hurting innocent civilians is never a good idea no matter which side of the conflict does it.

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It angers me how many people are now permanently displaced. From what I’ve seen, the numbers are going to be extremely high. How do you rehouse an entire city? Families are going to suffer many hardships because of this. I can’t think of a better way to recruit a new generation for an age old cause.

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A splinter in my mind has been spawned because of this.

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I just noticed that the replies have turned into a crap ton of arguing.

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The Palestinian government attacked their neighbor and took hostages. Their neighbor then stopped supplying Palestine with resources.

It seems Israel is aiming for the best case scenario here, which is for the people of Palestine to overthrow the death cult that controls their state.

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There’s pictures of the Israelis landing in palestine by boat 75 years ago begging for asylum, they never stuck to the border agreements over the years and continuously steal land and kill palestinians, Israelis are scum of the earth lowlife colonisers. End of story.

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They never stuck to the border agreements because for starters the surrounding arab countries (can’t say Palestine because it didn’t even exist as a country back then) refuse to acknowledge the borders and instead wanted to eradicate Israel. And for the first 30 years of after Israel was officially founded those same countries kept poking and prodding hoping to force them out in a similar fashion current day Israel does to Palestine. Is it really a wonder then that they treat Palestinians like dirt and ignore border agreements? It’s literally how they were historically treated.

And this isn’t to defend Israel. Current day Israel is the reason Hamas exists and Israeli treatment of Palestinians (not just in Gaza) laid the foundation of the terror attack. What I’m pointing out is that there’s a clear circle of violence that has been perpetuated by generations on both side and this nuanceless “Palestinians / Hamas is evil” or “Israelis are scum” perspectives are perpetuating the same violence by dehumanizing the other side.

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Yes, thank you for sharing that you get all of your news from reddit headlines and picture subs.

Palestine wouldn’t have existed without Isreal. It would have been annexed by a neighboring country without the jews they want to kill so badly.

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Nice work ignoring the decades of conflict. It’s not like Israel has been stealing all the land they agreed to “allow” Palestinians have for the last 50+ years or anything, right?

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So you’re saying they’ve been giving food, water, and energy to people they have been enemies with for “decades”?

That’s awful nice of them, but it doesn’t change the fact that declaring war is going to get those things taken away.

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That’s called collective punishment, and is a war crime.

They’re not really neighbors. Gaza is more like a prison controlled by Israel. Israel has controlled Gaza’s electricity, food, water, and the movement of its citizens for many years. I believe even before this attack, Israel only allowed Gaza 4 hours of electricity per day.

Also, in 2019, the PM of Israel reportedly laid out a strategy to “bolster” Hamas and provide them funding to oppose the Palestinian Authority. Hamas, in its current form, would not have been possible without Israel creating the perfect conditions for terrorist organizations to thrive. Israel keeps the conditions so bad, the average age in Gaza is 18. So, half of those Palestinian death toll numbers we are seeing are likely children.

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Refusing to supply the country that invaded you is a war crime??? Since when? Does Ukraine have to keep sending food to Russia?

And what prison in this world can you fire off 5,000 rockets from?

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Blocking neccesities for civiliana like water is a war crime. Encircling enemy state after it lanched offensive to yours is not, otherwise e.g. allies pushing Nazis all the way back to Berlin was also crime.

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Israel claims that Hamas is not a legitimate government and definitely not a state. They claim and control the territory of Gaza and consider Hamas a terrorist organization.

So by their own definition, this is a war crime crime against humanity.

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Kinda like the extermination of a people including taking hostages, torturing hostages, raping hostages, and executing hostages?

Two wrongs dont make a right, but Israel is by no means worse than HAMAS.

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Why are you comparing the two? You’re insulting Israel by comparing them to a terrorist organization.

The Israeli Government should be better than criminals, just as the US should be better than the Taliban. But they actually kill more. Like it or not, Palestinians are citizens of Israel and living on their territory. If Israel kills them indiscriminately, they are committing a crime against humanity.

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Going by the numbers would suggest Israel is 20 times worse than Hamas. But, that was before they started one of the largest scale war crimes in recent history*… I would argue that Israel is, from what seems to me a rather objective point of view, to be much worse

*I’m referring to the war crime on 2.2 million civilians who are being cut off from water, electricity and food, who can do nothing about it, because of, you guessed it, Israel.

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25 points

so are you going to sanction them or?

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I’m going to be real, I doubt they can even muster the will to write a strongly worded letter with the kinds of members who make up the EU.

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