Democratic Sen. John Fetterman of Pennsylvania was meeting last week with representatives from a teachers union in his home state when things quickly devolved.
Before long, Fetterman began repeating himself, shouting and questioning why “everybody is mad at me,” “why does everyone hate me, what did I ever do” and slamming his hands on a desk, according to one person who was briefed on what occurred.
As the meeting deteriorated, a staff member moved to end it and ushered the visitors into the hallway, where she broke down crying. The staffer was comforted by the teachers who were themselves rattled by Fetterman’s behavior, according to a second person who was briefed separately on the meeting.
It’s incredible how many passes he’s gotten since his stroke. He’s been spiraling hard. Megalomania, paranoia, and overall reckless behavior have become more common traits, but according to him he’s fine, he says while seething through clenched teeth.
I have had to watch this happen to a close friend.
Back in 2015, I had a buddy who got into a nasty bike accident, and suffered a TBI. He was always a bit of a snarky asshole, but we definitely did see eye to eye on political matters before that happened. But during his recovery, he became a lot more viciously vindictive and outright mean, and also ended up going full MAGA later on. It was weird and depressing to watch a close friend spiral out of control and lash out at people who were previously his very close friends, to the extent that he alienated basically all of them.
It sucks, and it’s very real.
I wonder how much high school athletics have contributed to conservatism via head injuries and groupthink?
I have had a couple concussions, and I am generally intolerant of religion as a whole, doesn’t sound like any of the study findings any research on people who weren’t religious to begin with. Unless I’m reading this wrong, which I could be you know, because of the concussions🤣🤣🤣
I think it was more like money damage… Being offered enough to completely abandon former thoughts and goals.
Yet with your combined superior intellect Democrats have lost control of all 3 branches of government and the supreme court. Maybe you guys are not as superior as you believe you are?
The Judicial system, which includes the Supreme Court, is a branch of government.
Probably the immediate about-face he took on every single stance he had prior to his stroke…
People tend to get mad when you campaign on helping people then turn into a fascist supporter
As somebody that has suffered from a stroke, I can pretty much relate to what John is going through here as I used to suffer from emotional outbursts early into my recovery as well. While I cannot promise you that it’s the same thing exactly it sure seems awfully familiar and hopefully he can recover like I did.
I had a stroke (really, a multi-stroke trauma event). I spent many days in the hospital under close supervision. Unlike Fetterman, I listened to my doctors, took an extended leave of absence from work, slept almost the entire time so my brain could heal in those critical days and weeks, took my medication, and went to physical therapy.
Fetterman reportedly didn’t do any of that.
I recovered fully. Fetterman clearly did not. In his current state, he should step down for the sake of everyone, especially himself. The stress of his job is about the worst possible thing he could do to himself.
You’re the only commenter on this post who mentioned his stroke in the context of hoping for his recovery- rather than using it to mock him. So much for tolerance
Sounds like everyone else is weirdly angry that he’s STILL IN OFFICE causing problems when he’s clearly not fit for the job, regardless of the reason? Isn’t that the more pressing concern than his health, him being an utter stranger to almost everyone?
Why do people need to be kind and sensitive toward someone’s recovery while that person insists on keeping a position of extreme responsibility, and constantly fucks it up, while “recovering”?
Crappy take, friend. And the “so much for tolerance” is such a loaded phrase, you almost sound insincere, to boot. We don’t owe these politicians a fuckin thing, CERTAINLY not some prioritized level of compassion. Get real!
I would feel compassion and I would highly appreciate it if he would take his time to recover, but he doesn’t, and yeah, sorry, in his condition he is clearly not for for this job.
Why do people need to be kind and sensitive toward someone’s recovery while that person insists on keeping a position of extreme responsibility, and constantly fucks it up, while “recovering”?
The “so much for tolerance” is a bit much. But there is a very real conversation to be had about this.
It’s because it’s brain damage. The thing that thinks. The organ in his body that would normally explain to him that something is wrong and that he is no longer capable of making rational decisions… that organ is what is damaged.
The man clearly needs help. This isn’t some Kanye West megalomaniacal breakdown, this is just “the part of his brain that should know better could literally be dead”.
If we had a functioning society, government, and recall system, he would have been removed by now. But expecting a stroke victim to make the right decisions when he’s clearly significantly altered from his baseline mental state… that’s just wishful thinking.
Crappy take, friend. And the “so much for tolerance” is such a loaded phrase, you almost sound insincere, to boot. We don’t owe these politicians a fuckin thing, CERTAINLY not some prioritized level of compassion.
I think people should be compassionate to literally every other person.
Why do people need to be kind and sensitive toward someone’s recovery while that person insists on keeping a position of extreme responsibility, and constantly fucks it up, while “recovering”?
Probably because he feels passionate about his beliefs and feels its important that he fights for them.
Would you feel the same way if his stroke destroyed his ability to drive a car but he insisted on continuing to do so anyway and kept putting lives at risk? It would be great if if can make a full recovery, and I certainly hope he can, but he needs to get the fuck out of the driver’s seat until he does so.
Would you feel the same way if his stroke destroyed his ability to drive a car but he insisted on continuing to do so anyway and kept putting lives at risk?
Being in political office isn’t driving a car. But regardless, even assuming the analogy were correct, yes I would say you should still be compassionate about it.
He got elected as a Democrat with a decently progressive policy platform, had a stroke, then said, “all the progressiveness has left my body” and turned his back on the constituents who elected him. He’ll get sympathy when he resigns for health reasons and not a moment before that.
Until then he’s just another brain damaged liar and a traitor to his constituents, like his new friend Lil Donnie.
So much for tolerance… in anonymous online forums? Schadenfreude for public figures is easy enough to come by in real life that it should be no surprise to see it shine through online
I can understand both sides here.
On the one hand I have empathy with him like with any victim of such a life-altering injury and wish him a swift and full recovery. I don’t want people to suffer and, quite frankly, “the brain doesn’t work right anymore” is one of my personal horror scenarios.
On the other hand this kind of behavior is a huge problem in someone capable of making decisions that can alter the lives of other people – millions of them, in this case. He has enough power to ruin a lot of people’s lives, intentionally or not.
Even as someone who isn’t impacted by his mental fitness in any way, I’d agree that removing him from office seems like a good move. That man needs rest, not the stress of a high-profile political office during interesting times. And his state needs someone with a level head, which doesn’t mesh well with a semi-recent traumatic brain injury.
And, well, this is a politics community so guess which part the discussion will focus on. (Also, this is online so people are inclined to be assholes.)
This is a reasonable position. I just don’t think saying calous and cruel things then justifying it by saying “it’s online” is a good excuse. You can think someone is wrong and causing severe harm without also hating them, vilifying them, etc. Some people are cruel so it’s fair to be cruel back to them, but I don’t think anyone can fairly look at Fetterman and think he actually intends to hurt people.
Most folks are pissed that he is in office, which is completely fucken reasonable. Fact of the matter is a stroke is as much a mental health issue as it is a physical issue. Just like how I remove myself from people when I’m in an autistic meltdown Fetterman should remove himself from politics. But what do I know I’m just a bloodthirsty Californian who wishes to lash 99.9 percent of politicians to crosses.
As others have pointed out the stroke could definitely impair his ability to understand its impact on his mental state.
But also yea no, someone can be very wrong and you can think and state that without being needlessly cruel to them.
yeah, why dont we all have more tolerance for people doing active harm? While we are on the topic, Who speaks for the CEOs here? They are human right? And has anyone asked the zionists about their feelings? their pains and fears?
But also, Fetterman is responsible for his actions and his actions suck. Thats how responsibility works, and leadership comes with a lot of responsibility. Fetterman is blowing it, so as a leader he deserves the ridicule. Politics is not all tea parties, playing patty-cakes, and talking about feelings. You perform or you get what Fettermans getting. Once he gets the eff out, he wont hold that responsibility and can be treated as just another human with human problems again.
yeah, why dont we all have more tolerance for people doing active harm?
Yes. Tolerating someone’s existence and humanity doesn’t mean you have to enable them to do things you disagree with.
While we are on the topic, Who speaks for the CEOs here? They are human right? And has anyone asked the zionists about their feelings? their pains and fears?
Yes. Someone who genuinely believes they are acting morally, even if they do something evil, are not themselves evil. They are misguided. You shouldn’t enable them, but you also shouldn’t be needlessly cruel to them.
But also, Fetterman is responsible for his actions and his actions suck.
Yes, but context matters. People’s motives matter when you judge them. People’s circumstances matter.
Thats how responsibility works, and leadership comes with a lot of responsibility.
Nitpick not about you, but just how people talk about congress in general: let’s just be honest, most of them are not leaders. Or at least not leading anything beyond their team of staffers. And they were not intended to be leaders, they represent their constituents, serving them not leading them.
You perform or you get what Fettermans getting.
What? Ridiculed and mocked by people on the internet who’s primary hobbies are thinking of creative insults and coping? I’m not being facetious, I’m asking what just saying cruel things on Lemmy does thats productive.
Once he gets the eff out, he wont hold that responsibility and can be treated as just another human with human problems again.
Why can’t he be treated as a human now? Just a human who at least you believe is wrong on serious issues, and therefore causing harm based on misconceptions.
As if people are nice here.
Lemmy is for being smug 3rd party and reconfirming your own self held superiority for the basic act of being here.
It was built by a lack of tolerance towards and from others.
I also think we shouldn’t tolerate him taking up one of only 100 seats of an important job while he is unwell and should do so privately.
Wait, are you being held here against your will?! Blink once for “no,” twice for “yes!”
It’s not smugness, or being mean. This man is a sitting US Senator. His decisions directly affect the well-being of literally hundreds of millions of people.
Shit is far too important to be treated with kid gloves. If you’re getting into national politics, you better stop giving a fuck about people being “nice” to you.
Brain damage makes you more conservative
Universities aren’t peddling some “liberal agenda,” it just so happens that the more educated you are the more liberal you tend to become. I’m sure that has nothing to do with red states pushing Jesus in schools and rolling back child labor laws…
What if it’s deeper than that. Like not systematic. What if liberals who are educated are just more outspoken. Or that people who tend to need post secondary school are more left leaning. What if it has nothing to do with education at all. I see no reason to believe the left are any more intelligent than the right. The argument that they are is similar to arguments like people in Alberta saying they’re better than other provinces because they’re rich but really it’s just a product of living in a province where there’s an abundance of natural resources.
I see no reason to believe the left are any more intelligent than the right.
But intelligence and education are not exactly the same things.
It is deeper and systemic. Depending on your field of study it could be analyzed any number of ways. I said nothing about intelligence, that’s hard to quantify and we’re all born with the same set of tools more or less. What is quantifiable is the census and voting records of various states around this nation. Being born into a family of poor idiots doesn’t make you dumb, but it does put you at a statistical likelihood of not seeing that potential because college is expensive and the local culture believing higher education=liberal brainwashing.
No one is automatically better than anyone else based on their zip code, but being in the nicer ones does help, who’d have thought
I think a major part of it is education and exposure. Conservativism is, generally, a desire to halt or even roll back “progress”. The embrace of traditions and nostalgia for the imaginary “good old days”. You know what your parents and your community taught you. You’ve established what normal is from your small sample size. Why change things? Everyone you know gets along just fine and you like the way it is. Different is scary.
Unfortunately, the world is really fucking complicated. Simple explanations can make perfect sense when your understanding is simple. However, the more you learn about the world, the more diversity you are exposed to, the more context you discover, the more stereotypes get broken… the more accommodating and progressive you usually become.
It’s far darker than this. You’re all one step away from this kind of flip. I mean neurotypical people here (though I doubt neurodivergent are proof against it, normal people are just super vulnerable). It’s all based on identity and once something is part of your identity there is no logic that can shift you.
Having higher intelligence correlates strongly to left wing beliefs.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289624000254
If people have papers to the contrary lets see them.
WHY IS THIS MAN STILL IN OFFICE
Between this and the other story earlier this week, its crystal fucking clear that he is not well. Does nobody close to him care about his clear brain damage from his stroke? It’s like the entire federal government is weekend at bernie’s and the whole thing is being run by staffers
They let Feinstein legislate with full blown dementia. As long as they can do what the lobbyists paid them to, these kinds of people likely aren’t going anywhere. It costs a bit of money to own a representative and their owners want as much ROI as possible.
I mean, that sounds so reductive to me, but it’s the only thing that makes sense.
He’s paranoid and seeing shadows, but he supports Israel so it doesn’t matter if he’s losing his mind. As long as his hallucinations are telling him to vote with the major party positions, they might as well just be another staff advisor.
I think the dems are trying hard to resist the popular momentum in the progressive side of the party, and letting his seat be re-filled would open a vulnerability. There’s a small chance that a special election would cause them to lose the seat entirely, but the nationwide sentiment is in their favor - it seems to me they’re more worried about a progressive challenger. But that’s just speculation.
I think your system has made it abundantly clear that neither competence, nor mental state, nor age, nor criminal record are limiting factor to be a politician in the US.
