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As The Intercept pointed out this week, this is Israel’s 9/11 in that it is a horrific event they didn’t see coming, but when you stop to look at the powder keg they created, they absolutely should have.

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And just like 9/11, they were warned of the attack weeks in advance but were still woefully unprepared to protect their citizens.

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I’m worried that they DID know, and are using this as an excuse to further their agenda against Palestinians.

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With the Netanyahu government, that’s the more plausible explanation.

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That’s sadly a possibility.

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What was the prior situation with the reservists? Did they backtrack on their no show threats before the war broke or was the war what forced them to show up

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It’s not that easy. There is constant information coming in all the time and intelligent agents need to parse signal from noise. It’s not every single bit of intelligence regarding an attack comes into fruition. In fact, it’s quite the opposite. This is an extremely difficult signal detection problem, one with lives at stake.

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Also they did have radar signatures of the attack incoming but radar tech was new and they didn’t trust it.

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And just like 9/11, their response is sowing death to countless civilians.

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when you stop to look at the powder keg they created

Wait until you expand it by a few more years:

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The bigger problem is that they probably knew. They where informed by Egypt intelligence…

If that is true, then they might have let it happen as an excuse to take Gaza in retribution

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Let’s not spread conspiracy theories without good sources

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US Congressional members with security clearances corroborated this, did they not?

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So, Israel’s 9/11 then? It wasn’t a coincidence that NORAD was on training exercises that day.

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By not forcing Palestinians out of their homes to house Americans: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/5/4/if-i-dont-steal-your-home-someone-else-will-jewish-settler-says

By not voting in a government that openly supports the eradication of a people that they claim are not a culture: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/world/no-such-thing-as-palestinian-people-top-israeli-minister-says

By not commuting further war crimes by doling our collective punishment on civilians: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/israel-opt-israel-must-lift-illegal-and-inhumane-blockade-on-gaza-as-power-plant-runs-out-of-fuel/

This video was posted in May 2021, and is still relevant: https://youtu.be/INCXqWzH5vk?si=xxvSkiBcRtkZwZVa

War crimes are being committed on both sides, but one side is in a far better political, economic, and defensive position. Treaties and councils have been written, but if the stronger party decides they want to break those agreements, and suffers no repercussions from doing so (so far as having essentially full support from the US government at one point), what can the smaller group do? Roll over and let their people be extinguished by a callous and racist government?

I do not condone attacks from either side, but saying that Palestine is “suffering the consequences”, while ignoring the actions that led to this attack (which could be seen as Israel suffering their own consequences) is short sighted and cruel.

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I’m sure they put it up to a democratic vote and only went through with it after getting the unanimous agreement of every single Palestinian in Gaza.

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You are speaking of Palestinians as a monolith. If you apply the same logic to Israelis, Palestinians are perfectly justified in attacking them. Hamas and Likud are both terrorist organizations. Targeting civilians is a war crime no matter who does it or why they say it’s justified.

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I know I’m taking to a shill or a bot or just someone who isn’t actually aware of what’s going on, but you’re grossly misinformed.

Is this your default reaction to seeing something you disagree with?

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Damn this is going to still be going on in 2121?

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Israel will almost certainly have wrapped up their genocide long before that.

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Looks like it.

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21 points

Still way too one sided against Israel

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12 points

How people fail to notice sarcasm is beyond me

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No /s, no sarcasm.

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0 points

You must be a joy at parties.

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Just basic heuristics really. With just cold text, it’s impossible to be sure.

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Check your axes. You have 2x 25,000s. I genuinely want to know how on someone can create a chart with this kind of error these days. Surely you’re not adding axis labels with a graphics tool after the initial generation. Right?

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I was curious about looking at some recent data being visualized. specifically a percentage of population estimate for the varied areas. (injuries , deaths, missing) anyone know of some credible data sets for some of this info? if I wasn’t at the bar, I’d try to tease it out myself.

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