Hello World,

Today, after careful consideration and evaluation of recent events, we have decided to defederate from Lemmygrad.

Regrettably, we have observed a significant increase in hate speech and calls to violence originating from the Lemmygrad instance. Due to the severity of the posts and comments, we are not waiting for the next Lemmy update that will allow users to block instances.

At Lemmy.world, we have always strived to foster an inclusive and welcoming user environment. However, recent posts and comments from Lemmygrad have clearly violated our server rules and, more importantly, our core values. We firmly believe that hate speech and incitement of violence have no place in our community, regardless of personal beliefs or affiliations.

As always, we encourage all users to report any content they deem inappropriate or harmful. No matter one’s stance in any conflict, Lemmy.world will always take immediate action to remove and ban any posts or comments that incite violence or propagate hatred.

We encourage everyone to continue engaging in discussions within the boundaries of respect and understanding. As we move forward with this decision, we remain committed to providing all community members with a safe and welcoming space. We appreciate your continued support and cooperation in upholding our shared principles.

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478 points

Lemmmygrad supposedly is for people who support communism, but when talking to them, they really are supporting totalitarian countries which have nothing to do with communism.

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147 points

It’s amazing what some state-sponsored troll farms can convince people of. Some people can’t evaluate content they see online critically and gobble up the propaganda

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46 points

The tactics and attitudes definitely make me think of that. It seems like the same people who showed up and fucked up a bunch of subs on reddit 6-7 years ago, like how conspiracy went from discussing things like UFOs and MK ULTRA to conservative political conspiracy theories and opposing the Democratic Party and politicians.

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3 points

Are you saying MK ULTRA is just a conspiracy theory and never happened? I’ve watched documentaries on PBS, BBC and the History Channel. Clearly the program existed, as for what clandestine operations it ran, that’s certainly loaded with conspiracy theories.

If everything is a conspiracy theory, nothing is a conspiracy theory.

https://www.history.com/topics/us-government-and-politics/history-of-mk-ultra

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103 points

Whenever communists or socialists gather, the tankies take over.

It’s been like that since the past 100 years.

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52 points

I’m not even sure they’re really tankies anymore (or the meaning of the word is changing). Actual tankies still ostensibly support communism, but all too often, it’s blatantly apparent that they’re actually right-wing totalitarians cosplaying.

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Yep, it’s easy to bait them too. You make a post or comment calling out tankies for supporting authoritarianism, and out of the woodwork scurry all the “socialists and communists” to downvote you.

Thing is, a real socialist or communist hates authoritarianism too.

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32 points

They’re tankies in the original sense. The word came from an incident where there was an actual honest to god socialist movement when workers were seizing the means of production, and “communist” Russia sent literal tanks to shut it down. A reporter happened to observe the whole thing in person and tried to write up the story, but his editors would only print the official U.N. statement that the tanks were stopping a fascist movement.

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25 points

Tankies support russian or Chinese versions of communism, which really isn’t communism at all.

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25 points

[Looks around nervously]

Aren’t we gathering here too? This defederation seems like tankies not taking over.

Anecdotally I was in a bunch of actual leftist subreddits; I only departed because capitalists enshittified the whole website.

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44 points

Maybe you just didn’t recognize it. Reddit leftist spaces were famously led by tankie mods.

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-7 points

Notably - this applies to any governing bodies.

Fuck communism, it will never work you dumbasses.

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5 points

Oooooooh, I see. Capitalism should fuck communism, and give their social democratic love-child to us folks in the USA!!! Woot.

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70 points

The bit that really irked me was that it was purely performative. It seemed like literally the exact same community that populated the_donald with memes and Trump train bots and the photoshopping of Trump’s pic onto Rambo. Their posts have fuck all to do with communism just like the trump posts had nothing to do with conservative politics. It was just edge faux-outrage and basically taking an opposite position for its own sake. They could simultaneously criticize Gov Newsom for not signing a trans rights bill while praising Putin who is doing his level best to make being gay illegal. It’s a mistake to see it as political discourse when it’s really just trolling. Like on the_donald, they egg each other on and have their in jokes and memes (in both the picture sense and in the actual meme sense) about walls the same way the trumpers did with helicopters.

Defederation is the best response imo.

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19 points

It is funny to mention Trump around tankies and watch their heads explode. They can’t pretend Trump is a communist, but their propaganda masters don’t want them to turn against the Republicans, so they’re just in this weird space where the only thing they can do is aggressively avoid the topic at all.

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17 points

hexbear had an entire thread with hundreds of comments where they all agreed they hated trump and viewed him as an odious fascist

https://lemmy.ml/post/4040923?scrollToComments=true

The closest thing you find to support for trump in there is some of them thinking he is a less effective imperialist.

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16 points

I’ve seen them actively celebrate that they don’t suffer from “Trump derangement syndrome” like liberals (supposedly) do. The longer you watch them, the more pro-fascism you see slip through

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I’ve actually once seen a tankie scream something about how the “imperial coreTM” (America) allows gay marriage, codifying Obergefell into law last year just in case SCOTUS and some red-state AG decide it needs to go and make a serious attempt at it. Some of them actually do think it’s “capitalistic degeneracy”

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49 points

That’s my problem with it. For some reason they support countries which have nothing to do with being socialist or communist. It makes their philosophies and claims seem really inconsistent and not based on any real ideology. It seems like at most an anti-US, anti-EU ideology, and for some reason they scorn the same US politicians that conservatives here do, while never mentioning any problems with the people in the US who are even more against workers rights and in favor of unbridled capitalism. Also, the tactics of groups of people mocking people and comments reminds me of the shilled-out shit that showed up on reddit several years ago.

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-4 points

You can’t understand why or how communists and socialists would be anti-US and anti-EU? Really? Seems fairly self evident to me that that’d be the case. Why would you expect anything but hostility towards the ultra capitalist systems in the US or EU from communists and socialists? Seems like an odd complaint, anti-capitalist sentiment is part of the core of the ideology as I see it.

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My question is why they’d support Russia and China instead, which are as currently as capitalist as the US and EU. And also, as noted, have scorn for the more socialist politicians in the US while not criticizing the ones that support the even more abusive capitalist policies.

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6 points

ultra capitalist systems in the US or EU

Given the number of social programs in the EU, bunching it with the US just denotes ignorance.

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-16 points

For some reason they support countries which have nothing to do with being socialist or communist.

It’s all they’ve got. There are no real Socialist or Communist nations as those ideologies are fundamentally incompatible with groups of people larger than about 150, at least in a world that isn’t truly post scarcity.

It’s a shame really but that’s just how people are.

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17 points

As tankies often do. They are just a different colors of fascist, but damage the reputation of all lefties

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-2 points

Oh you guys do plenty of that on your own don’t kid yourself.

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-2 points

Aww, they’re just not doing “the right kind” of communism I guess?

Show me communism that doesn’t end in genocide and totalitarian state leadership, I’ll wait.

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3 points

The biggest problem with communism is not the socialism, it is the totalitarism that is required for it to function. And that’s the part that kills people.

Now that Russia and China aren’t even communist, it clearly shows what they are truly after.

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1 point

I think that’s the point: communism had good intentions but always ended up in totalitarianism.

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405 points

Good riddance

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They can have their little hate fest in private now! I think they wanted that anyways.

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22 points

They do it to so many smaller forums too. I saw an old board I used to frequent for game faqs and questions turned into one, under the guise of being mostly transgender positive.

It’s crazy to watch one user create a wannabe cult, user shame everyone and constantly move goalposts with straw men bs. Meanwhile, they had moderators discussing in Discord chats who to drive insane next and pick on. Not to mention using a serious issue as means to divide people that frequent the site by having over 30+ accounts to pad the numbers that agree with their views in topics.

It’s scary how far they go these days, especially considering the site was relatively respected around Y2K era, and now it’s full of republicans pretending to be trans and liberal for a psychotic gimmick.

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under the guise of being mostly transgender positive.

The “trans rights to tankie” pipeline is just as weird as the “hippie to fascist” pipeline. I saw a lot of it on Blahaj.

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59 points

Yeah glad to see those fucks go. There’s been an awful lot of bad takes filling up content sections on certain topics, every time I checked who had posted it it was almost always a lemmygrad user.

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I need to start checking the instance when someone posts something stinky.

I’d honestly noticed it a lot over the last few weeks and thought oh well, eternal September.

There was a nice little period there where’s there wasn’t much discussion around and those actually poking their heads out were really kind of wholesome. Now I see so many people still coming across in that friendly, inclusive way and I realise it’s just a vocal minority ruining it.

Let’s hold each other to a higher standard.

One love.

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5 points

I hardly ever even look at the username - I’m not sure I’ll get to looking at instance names.

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5 points

One knock-on effect for me is that encountering those folks on here made me want to triple check my tone and emotionality when I post or comment. I absolutely want this to be a better place than reddit, and I constantly find myself going back through my comments, editing to add corrections, or outright deleting them if I realize in hindsight I was being a cranky asshole. I’ve got to admit, I’ve even appreciated the notification-free moderation here - if I got into a fight with someone and our lack of civility broke the rules, I’m happy when a mod wipes out both of our offending comments. Nine times out of ten it takes out the comment that caused me to fight in the first place. And as heated as I can get, after going on an online tear, afterwards I usually feel terrible for being driven by anger. And angry posts almost never do anything except stroke my ego.

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Their responses and comments have legitimately prevented me from coming here. Maybe I’ll actually visit and comment again with them defederated, I was so sick of their bullshit and posts clogging my feed.

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1 point

What kind of bad takes?

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10 points

We just blocked an instance full of them, go there for an example.

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50 points

Agree

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-1 points

I honestly don’t get the big deal about defederation.

Free speech doesn’t really seem achievable on social media because bad actors will always manipulate votes to ensure that some opinions are promoted more than others.

For example, the opinions of lemmygrad should probably consume ~1% of the total informed opinion “pie chart” if you will. They can be adequately represented by some idiot posting their opinion in a thread once in a while - yet here we are. Their bizarre takes are sucking all the oxygen out of the room.

Surely there’s a better way to ensure that all opinions on a given matter can be considered rather than just saying we must allow our streets to be overrun with zombies lest we forget they exist.

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-24 points

The lemmygrad users think the same

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31 points

Good for all 19 of them

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26 points

Big assumption with the thinking

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You mean they’re sharing the same brain cell?

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263 points

Thank fucking god. It’s exhausting being around people for whom any meme, any post, any comment, has to spin into how good communism is, how bad the libs are, how good China is, and how bad The West TM is. It is exhausting.

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190 points

Nothing of value has been lost

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32 points

Value was gained instead.

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Stonks📈📈📈

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2 points

Addition by subtraction

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156 points

I just gotta say, the moderation here makes me so happy I joined this instance.

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