14 points

They really argue about birds?! Not insects? Flowers? Plants? Bees?

permalink
report
reply
24 points

It’s a standard troll argument, yeah.

permalink
report
parent
reply
8 points

There are “grassroots” movements claiming significant environmental damage from converting farmland to solar farms. Seriously.

permalink
report
parent
reply
6 points

Over here, there have been groups who put dead birds (often roadkill) underneath wind turbines.

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

I think it’s because they can see the birds that turbines kill. The birds killed the the pollution fossil fuels cause are hard to notice and especially hard to link to the cause of death. When there’s dead birds around a turbine, it’s more obvious.

People don’t look at numbers. They’re driven by emotions, which favour what they can easily see and wrap their heads around. Or alternatively, what they are most scared of. Eg, nuclear power is far safer and less radioactive than coal. But that doesn’t matter. People are afraid of nuclear because of past incidents they heard about. The way coal kills people is so much harder to notice than a dramatic HBO series.

permalink
report
parent
reply
8 points

And infinity% more than nuclear!!

permalink
report
reply
2 points

Habitat loss due to uranium mining is certainly a thing. As is heating up of rivers for cooling the plant.

permalink
report
parent
reply
4 points

Skimmed the article for the reason of bird death.

They look at habitat loss due to fossil fuel mining and at the impact of acid rain caused by burning fossil fuels and mentioned climate change.

I have a feeling that these numbers could be shadowed when looking at the deaths caused by air pollution from coal plants. But I guess that must be difficult to assess.

permalink
report
reply
4 points
*

I have a private pilot licence and flew near Coal Plants here in Australia. You can smell the coal plant long before you can see the coal plant outside if you’re flying at lower altitude (not sure about much higher, since I’ve only approached them probably at less than 3500ft)

It really gives some perspective just how unhealthy they are. People think you only smell them when you’re near the smoke stack, but the smoke stretches a huge distance at higher altitude

permalink
report
reply
3 points

With about 17,000,000 gigawat hours of electricity from fossil fuels each year, that’s about 160 million birds killed by fossil fuels annually. Cats are estimated to kill between 1.4 and 3.7 billion birds each year, why don’t we do something about the cat problem?

permalink
report
reply
2 points

We do. Some regions attempt to spay and neuter all cats found, such as parts of the US. Cats are very good predators and many conservation focused areas struggle to deal with them as well.

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

I mean, I know that, I’ve done TNRs before. But what we do is very little compared to the scope of the problem.

permalink
report
parent
reply

Climate - truthful information about climate, related activism and politics.

!climate@slrpnk.net

Create post

Discussion of climate, how it is changing, activism around that, the politics, and the energy systems change we need in order to stabilize things.

As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades:

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world:

Recommended actions to cut greenhouse gas emissions in the near future:

Anti-science, inactivism, and unsupported conspiracy theories are not ok here.

Community stats

  • 4K

    Monthly active users

  • 5.5K

    Posts

  • 27K

    Comments

Community moderators