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I disagree with the base premise that being opt out needs to be a right. That implies that having data be harvested for companies to make profits should be the default.

We should have the right to not have our data harvested by default. Requiring companies to have an opt in process with no coercion or other methods of making people feel obligated to opt in is our right.

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being opt out needs to be a right. That implies that having data be harvested for companies to make profits should be the default.

As the years have passed, it has become the acceptable consensus for all of your personal information, thoughts, and opinions, to become freely available to anyone, at anytime, for any reason in order for companies to profit from it.

People keep believing this is normal and companies keep taking more. Unless everyone is willing to stand firm and say enough, I only see it declining further, unfortunately.

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I’m there with you, and I’d join in a protest to get it.

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3 points

The death of the private life

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3 points

Exactly. The focus should be on data privacy, not on what technologies a service chooses to use.

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3 points

Actually and time for data sales to be illegal. Not even opt-in.

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3 points

We should have the right to not have our data harvested by default.

I would maybe not go quite that far but at the very least this should apply to commercial interests and living people.

I think there are some causes where it should be acceptable to have your data usable by default, e.g. statistical analysis of health threats (think those studies about the danger of living near a coal power plant or similar things).

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I disagree. Yes, there are benefits to a lot of invasions of privacy, but that doesn’t make it okay. If an entity wants my information, they can ask me for it.

One potential exception is for dead people, I think it makes sense for a of information to be released on death and preventing that should be opt in by the estate/survivors, depending on the will.

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But they literally can’t ask you for it if it is about high volumes of data that only become useful if you have all or close to all of it like statistical analysis of rare events. It would be prohibitively expensive if you had to ask hundreds of thousands of people just to figure out that there is an increase in e.g. cancer or some lung disease near coal power plants.

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That implies that having data be harvested for companies to make profits should be the default.

I sure hope those studies are not being done by for profit companies!

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We should have the right to not have our data harvested by default.

How would that benefit the average person?

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6 points

Send me your name, birthdate, web browsing history, online spending history, real time location, and a list of people you know and I will explain it to you.

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5 points

Less price gouging

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How do you expect that to result?

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1 point

By giving us the choice of whether someone else should profit by our data.

Same as I don’t want someone looking over my shoulder and copying off my test answers.

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By giving us the choice of whether someone else should profit by our data.

What benefit do you expect from that?

Same as I don’t want someone looking over my shoulder and copying off my test answers.

Why not?

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5 points

Nope, screw opt-out. OPT-IN ONLY, i want it to be disabled by default.

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I doubt we’ll ever be offered a real opt-out option.

Instead I’m encouraged by the development of poison pills for the AI that are non-consensually harvesting human art (Glaze and Nightshade) and music (HarmonyCloak).

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Remind me in 3 days.

Although poison pills are only so effective since it’s a cat and mouse game, and they only really work for a specific version of a model, with other models working around it.

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But do Glaze, Nightshade, and HarmonyCloak really work to prevent that information from being used? Because at first, it may be effective. But then they’ll find ways around those barriers, and that software will have to be updated, but only the one with the most money will win.

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AI is a venture capital money pit, and they are struggling to monetize before the hype dies out.

If the poison pills work as intended, investors will stop investing “creative” AI when the new models stop getting better (and sometimes get worse) because they’re running out of clean content to steal.

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AI has been around for many years, dating back to the 1960s. It’s had its AI winters and AI summers, but now it seems we’re in an AI spring.

But the amount of poisoned data is minuscule compared to the data that isn’t poisoned. As for data, what data are we referring to: everything in general or just data that a human can understand?

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I’ve deleted pretty much all social media, I’m down to only Lemmy. I only use my home PC for gaming, like CiV or cities skylines or search engines for things like travel plans. I’m trying to be as offline as possible because I don’t believe there’s any other way to opt out and I don’t believe there ever will be. Like opting out of the internet is practically impossible, AI will get to this point as well

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Ah yes. The “freedom” the usa has spread all over its country and other nations… Yes of course we must protect that freedom that is ofc a freedom for people to avoid getting owned by giant corporations. We must protect the freedom of giant corporations to not give us ai if they want to. I don’t disagree but think people are more important

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It should be opt in

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