I feel like im going nuts.We are watching the destructon of a civillian population take place,cheered on by western goverments and media.I just feel sick
Is it really cheered?
Most people only agree that the murders on civilians started by Hamas were absolutely horrible and unnecessary. As for what is coming after I don’t think normal people are happy about either.
All western mainstream media and western governments are firmly supporting Israel. So, yes the west is actively endorsing genocide here.
Politicians are afraid to take stances against Israel because they think their consituents are on Israel’s side. Tell them what you think, email them links they cant ignore, call them and explain you know whats up and will call them out for supporting genocide if they don’t take everything thats happened into account. It will make a difference. Its the least anyone could do. Posting on social media about your frustrations only is not enough.
Western governments are supporting Israel because they just got over a thousand people butchered.
They’re also asking Israel to show restraint in Palestine. Even the US, Israel’s chief arm’s dealer, is telling them not to do war crimes. Is it meaningless chin music? Of course. But it’s not necessarily an “endorsement”.
If your friend sees his kid get grievously hurt, you support him. When he gets his gun, you try to talk him down. Now, the problem in this story is: you gave him that gun.
I don’t think the west is endorsing genocide.
I do think that, if it really comes to real actual genocide: They armed it.
edit: I thought that weird name looked familiar, so I figured I’d check. Why are they always vatniks?
https://lemmy.ml/comment/3437882 by https://lemmy.ca/u/yogthos@lemmy.ml
No, I don’t think Putin is draining any swamp, but I do think he runs a far more competent administration than western oligarchs.
(Side note, speaking of WWII: Remember that Soviet flag on the Reichstag picture? That’s of a Ukrainian. Taken by a Ukrainian).
And now thanks to the help from the west Ukraine is run by literal fascists. Maybe something you should reflect on.
In any case, this conversation is clearly pointless since you evidently live in an alternate reality. I’ll just let you figure things out on your own and reconcile the fantasies you’ve built up with the real world as it becomes increasingly more difficult to ignore going forward.
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blocked. Life is too short for people like this.
I’m hearing this repeated over and over, but its simply not true. CNN is covering it somewhat adequately. Go to their website.
Yes, fox are freaks. Obviously. And that is the most mainstream media. And what is happening in Gaza is a war crime. But it is willful blindness to say it is being reported in nowhere for the mainstream.
“But they are allowed to defend themselves” says the Western presidents.
This has nothing to do anymore with defending themselves. This is just another path to their genocide mission.
I’m curious. Put yourself in Israel’s shoes. You’ve been massively attacked by Hamas from Gaza.
What would you do next? How would you approach this war?
How would you defend yourself to make sure this never happens again.
If i try to invade your house and take it for myself, if i make you a second class citizen and subject you to constant violence and dehumanization using disproportionate force, you have every right to shoot me in the face.
Yeah there’s one universal truth in war: everyone loses. Maybe it’s their life, their sanity, their resources, or their supporters, but everyone loses.
Both sides are murdering countless innocent civilians. This whole situation is horrible. There are no winners in this war.
I’m still baffled by what Hamas was thinking this thing would achieve. It’s giving Israel the excuse to completely wipe out Gaza. It’s one thing to destroy the wall and attack a military base, but murdering entire villages was only going to have one outcome. It’s like they wanted the opposite of Palestinian liberation.
They want to go out in “a blaze of glory” rather than fade away. Israel has been clearing them out slowly and nobody is stopping it, but if Hamas provokes Israel into doing it quickly maybe that will generate enough outrage that the world will try to stop it.
It makes perfect sense if you read up on the history of the conflict, particularly over the last 30 years.
Palestine’s reward for trying to find a diplomatic solution has been Western-sanctioned destruction and massacre every single time. We westerners have largely ignored that their land has been taken, hospitals and infrastructure bombed, news reporters and civilians shot in cold blood, and no meaningful repercussions for any of it. They’ve even been blockaded for sixteen years.
Think of it like a smaller-scale Tet Offensive. It didn’t seem to make a ton of sense for the Vietnamese to launch an offensive against the South Vietnam and their powerful allies either.
And when you consider how unreasonable it is for 1.1 million people to evacuate in a day, remember also that these people aren’t allowed out in the first place.
My guess is that they wanted to provoke Israel into attacking, hoping that the rest of the nations in the area would use the atrocities as a justification to attack Israel.
It’s not for you to understand. You’re not there. You’re not suffering it, you’re not fighting it, you’re not analyzing it to save your life and your nation, you’re not planning it, you’re not preparing for your own death and ensuring it’s worth it.
Stop passing judgment based on whether you personally have the ability to figure out what specific strategy they are motivated by and start passing judgment based on the structures at play here.
Hamas made a choice. It’s time for us to either support Israel or support Palestine. Condemning Hamas to the degree that we do not render them aid means supporting Israel. Allowing Israel to fight Hamas means supporting Israel. The atrocities can be sorted out in The Hague next year.
They’re doing the Hitler strategy of taking everyone on the ship down with them, in the hope that it will inspire extremists elsewhere, and to inspire future generations to do the same because surely they are the victims here. Didn’t work out that way for Germany in the end now did it?
Also, I’m not saying that Israel is in anyway justified erasing 1.000.000 people off the map. They are also terrible.
This is what I don’t get either. Israel’s reaction is 100% predictable. They knew their attack would result in thousands of their own people getting killed. Did they have an objective that they thought would help improve the lives of Palestinians living in Gaza?
And go fucking where and how?? They all will just catch the train?? A boat?? A really big bus??
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The Israeli military said it would operate “significantly” in Gaza City in the coming days and civilians would only be able to return when another announcement was made.
Famously leaving and returning is very easy for Palestinians and they will have no reservations leaving with a potential of returning.
How the fuck do you evacuate more than 1 million people , where the majority are women and children??
You know, through the border crossings that are all closed. They’re just announcing this to claim that they gave people ample warning to leave when inevitably scores of Palestinians end up bombed.
Not to mention the old, the sick and the disabled. On top of that the numerous injured from the bombings.
Answer: You don’t. Not in 24 hours and especially not when the people in charge don’t want the civilians to leave either. This will be used by Israel as a thin justification that whatever they do next did not hit civilians because they asked them to evacuate (the 24h hours part of this ultimatum will be dropped under the table, never to be mentioned again).
Just to put it into perspective:
Lets assume half of those 1.1 M find shelter in Gaza but outside Gaza city, (I think this is generous, as it will mean ~2 people living there usually for each person seeking shelter, as 2 M people live in the entire Gaza region). This leaves 550 k people to exit through the three border crossings. This leaves each person an average time of less than half a second per parallel processing capacity of the crossings to cross the border. Note that all three of these crossings are closed if I’m not mistaken.
Over a million people out of a city in that region is impossible.
Over a million people are going where exactly? Are there camps where they can stay? Where there is water and food? Are their basic needs met? Or are they just expected to walk into the desert, never to return from the shadow realm?
Over a million people who are supposed to stay away while the Israeli military does what exactly? Fight against the Hamas on a fair battlefield? Because the Hamas is known for playing by the rules, yes? Because they also won’t just leave the city to strike at a later time, right? You understand how terrorists operate? You might have learned one thing or another in the last few decades?
Over a million people who can’t leave the city and will either get murdered by the Israeli military, murdered by Hamas or slaughtered in the crossfire. Israel can say „Told ya to leave the city“ and Hamas will get rock hard at the next generation of desperate people who will be easy to recruit.
But what do I know? You do you. Everyone else seems to know it better and shit just keeps getting worse. Every single decade, this shitfest escalates more and more. People die, politicians condemn, some really like the idea of Jew or Muslims dying. Everyone acts like they did a thing.
This is not the end. We will be here again in ten years. Same shit, only even worse than now.
The impossibility of evacuating all those people safely is the point, Israel wants the civilians to die.
This is the modern Trail of Tears, but since Israel has been predetermined to be the good guy it will be cheered and celebrated.
Meanwhile Hamas is telling people to stay and is actively stopping people from leaving. source
Fight against the Hamas on a fair battlefield?
They’re going to bomb it from a very safe distance. And, if the last week is anything to go by, may ‘accidentally’ bomb places they’ve herded everyone into.
Israel’s wet dream, an excuse to displace half of all Palestinians from their land, bomb it all to the ground, if there are casualties; “Hey, you were warned.”
Don’t get me wrong. Fuck Hamas, but also fuck Israel, fuck neocolonialism, fuck propaganda/disinformation about baby beheadings and free Palestine!
Don’t forget fuck religion. Let’s not pretend like that’s not a core issue.
This scene from a game has some resemblance of the situation. Plus, israel is using white phosporus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b7TaLjdXMc
“Why…?” “You brought this on yourself”
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