Well that backfired on Ethan
Wonder if my radlib boss will notice or if she will just stick to theo von
I wonder what your boss thinks about
- Theo Von’s episode with Hasan a couple months ago
- Theo Von’s episode with Candace Owens the week before that
She doesn’t think. She is a chameleon for any of the lib shit that comes along. She went to the women’s march in DC. She has Notorious RBG “I dissent” stickers on her water bottle. She loves the daily slams in the news.
She moves on so fast that if I brought up something she talked about last week, she would look at me like a dog noticing an ant on the floor
It’s when I see people here say shit like “he’s a fed” and thinking he may be “making this up” that I’m reminded a lot of people here need to touch grass and do a bit of a reality check lmao.
Hasan is good. This is not surprising. He’s doing well to talk about it and make noise about it.
They literally pulled me aside at TSA to inspect the blunt stakes in my tent bag that I was taking as carry on because it was way smaller than my big duffel bag. Funnily enough they only did this on my way BACK from going to Pine Ridge to meet with a bunch of former AIM elders.
the people who need to touch grass are those who are on a first-name basis in their parasocial relationship with a streamer
What? That’s his name, i don’t know what else to call him, mister piker? I barely watch a part of a stream once in a blue moon, sheesh.
Maybe this is being said in a joking way but i’m gonna be real I really don’t appreciate this kind of comment, weird thing to say and a weird way to say it, not the vibes i’m used to on hexbear.
Hasan is a slightly-left-of-AOC streamer doing the “we can push them left” thing, where the “them” is imperialist social democrats/left liberals. The place at which his followers arrive is, “I will only reluctantly vote for Kamala Harris” and, “I wish I could vote for AOC 2028”. He occasionally arrives aa socialist positions and language like a toddler finding a new toy. He learns the toy, plays with it for a while, talks about it on stream, and then discards it. He wants to be on the edge of mainstream. Can’t let the toy get in the way of that.
This is only good and useful in the same fashion that Bernie could be thought of as useful: some will be inspired by the toy, the appeal of possibility and pointing to (mostly) correct culprits of oppression, and then their disappointment at nothing changing may help radicalize. But many, probably the vast majority, will be led back to the Democratic party and liberalism, as Hasan neither offers them an onramp himself nor points anyone to next steps. He just returns to stream about electoral politics, Trump, the next elections, etc. And his audience follows him there.
Hasan should be considered situationally useful. We should be there to pick up the disaffected, as he is not pointing them to us. And doing it through our organizations. If we are not, then he is not part of any pipeline to developing more socialists, but just creating more Bernie-adjascent electoralists that sit at home and will be susceptible to most propaganda.
I don’t know how you arrive at this assessment on him but alright, that’s fine by me. I don’t agree at all with this analysis, it seems kinda fashioned out of nothing. It doesn’t align with the few positions i’ve seen him take, at least recently. I never really watched before a couple months ago and most of that has been about the palestinian genocide, his anti-zionism and coverage of israeli crimes, so idk.
I think Hasan deserves more credit than that, I dont know anything about his content from 6+ months ago but these days he has the unique ability to mention that sometimes China good without a 4 hour but-at-what-cost qualifier, infact he openly mocks the trope that most liberals can’t mention China at all without also stating the official NATO party line (Uyghur genocide, mao bad, tiny man square, etc.).
He can have some positive influences while still being the same thing I described. For example, Bernie focusing on vulgar class analysis and making socialism a more acceptable word (despite bastardizing it) were both useful things and yet Bernie is a pro-genocide chauvinist that sheepdogs for Dems. If Hasan’s pattern holds, his takes on China will be, “China somewhat bad but USA worse and targeting it with nonsense” while trying to humanize actual Chinese people. His pattern is based on a vaguely left-liberal-with-socialist-language anti-racist internationalism of having empathy for people that the imperialist state seeks consent to do violence to. It’s a good and useful thing to have voices opposed to that. But under his pattern, what will be the call to action, implicit or explicit? It will be to try to “push left” some Democrat imperialists and keep the focus on dead end electoral reformism. The only positive outlet for that is the same as for Bernie: disillusionment that we can build on for recruiting.
It is possible that he might give up on the electoralist angle eventually, which would also be useful if his audience is large. But I don’t see that as his current trajectory.
Hasan is criticized for advocating for leading baby leftists back into the fold of the Democratic Party. And its not just “hexbear” who says this. We already had a similar situation where an obvious British agent was victimized due the genocidal policies of the empire.
Hopefully hasan can grow from that injustice, but that suddenly doesn’t make him lenin 2.0.
I don’t think he’s lenin at all. I think he does a good job agitating and educating, that’s it. That’s much more than most people can claim to do. I disagree that he leads leftists back into the democratic party, then again i’m not american, but that sounds nonsensical to me.
I like him okay. I just don’t really find his stream that interesting. Plenty fan of his message, enjoy that he watches One Piece, sometimes he hangs out with Valkyrae’s group. But I’m there to watch video games personally. I don’t feel any extra love for the Dems because I follow him
Yeah, too many on Hexbear got that “Too cool for school” ass energy that needs to be dispensed with asap
Offshoot of the Western leftist mantra of nothing ever being holy enough.
Hasan does good shit within the confines of the parameters he can exist within, and is a net positive for us, even if he doesn’t share our views one-to-one.
yeah someone who watches hasan and learns about the world and takes what he says seriously is a lot more likely to then be receptive to going further, learning more and coming to understand hasan’s limitations and bad/mid takes. But on the whole he’s a positive, even if he’s got a ton of fans who are oblivious or don’t fully take his points/logic to heart, let alone go further, they are at least not instinctively anticommunist and generally vibe with us.
He makes calls and has takes that i don’t agree with, often in the interest of “optics”, but just covering the shit that he does is a huge boost to the level of discourse happening in a lot of corners of the internet. Just getting people talking about ansarallah and their blockade in a positive light and with context is a huge boost against the “they’re just terrorists attacking civilian shipping vessels” people
They don’t like it that a guy can be both ‘on the right side of history’ and handsome, probably, lol.
Maybe this is because I’m not a Hasan watcher but all this “he’s doing more than any of you critics and complainers” and “you’re just mad because he’s better looking / richer etc” reminds me of the kind of glazing that goes on in any cult of personality… not that Hasan’s politics are anywhere near as bad as Musk’s obviously, but it does remind me of the kind of glazing that Elon stans do.
There’s an element of classism too, like you can’t critique your betters because you weren’t born with the family resources and connections that you get from being born moderately wealthy. Like excuse me if I’m not well positioned enough to talk to a million people online every day, but I think “progressive” streamers should not be glossing over AOC and Bernie’s social fascism, (EDIT) for example.
And yes I am aware that Hasan is always raising money for based causes and that’s awesome, he should keep doing that. I’ll keep criticizing his liberal and reactionary tendencies though. This “you only criticize Hasan because you think you’re too cool for school and nothing ever happens, you only criticize because you’re an edgelord” BS is gross and childish, tbh.
Incorrect, the reason I don’t like him is because of this rod-polishing parasocial relationship people have with him for scraping the literal bare minimum, which isn’t unique to him but part of a larger critique of the alienation that is inherent to streamer media.
I mean for Christ’s sake, this is the exact same argument as ‘You just criticize capitalism and want communism because you are jealous of other’s success’ level of breadtube argument slop.
Ethan is so incompetent, he can’t even sic the US government on a middle eastern guy named Hasan with leftist tendencies lol
Man with middle eastern/turkish origins detained in America over his politics. And they are left leaning. I’m surprised it didn’t happen sooner tbh. If you wanna be a turkish man in the spotlight you need to sniff American war criminal butt like that enes freedom nerd.
okay but he was obviously only taken aside because he kept triggering the metal detector with all his goofy ass thumb rings and pukashells and other assorted accessory bullshit.
