Bluesky is not decentralized. It’s promised to be decentralized but I wouldn’t be surprised if they never allow open federation.
Oh no it’ll federate alright.
The thing about ATProto is that unlike AP they don’t seem to expect each instance to have it’s own community with it’s own rules and vibes. They seem to be using federation just as a way to “scale up”.
If they can get any non-bluesky-the-company folk to create instances then that’s just scaling they don’t have to pay for and a convenient legal scapegoat for the inevitable consequences of their lax moderation. Why wouldn’t they federate?
If they can get any non-bluesky-the-company folk to create instances then that’s just scaling they don’t have to pay for and a convenient legal scapegoat for the inevitable consequences of their lax moderation.
Yes. This exactly is their whole business model. There has been a very good article about bluesky around for some time about that fyi.
From what I’ve heard most of the users don’t care about federation but just want an alternative Twitter.
Which makes sense, that’s what they joined after all. “Federation is coming” Is probably destined to be a broken promise for a while unless it goes mainstream and becomes and expectation. For now it’s just hedging bets
According to their blog post a few days ago, they’re looking at federation in H1 '24, and beginning the move to put governance of the AT Protocol that powers BlueSky to an established standards body like IEFT, though they predict that’ll be a multi-year process.[1]
I hope they continue to move towards federation; the developers at least appear very interested in it even if the community doesn’t, but I’m gonna be apprehensive about getting too excited until it actually happens.
They have a number of big promises with AT Protocol, including fully portable accounts that let you keep your content, even if your home-instance (what they call provider) goes down,[2] but it’s hard to see if this is even preferable while they’re still centralized.
Thanks! Seems interesting, especially to see what federation looks like with their more centralised model.
Personally I hope it goes well. 1. Because I think the Fedi could do with competition. 2. The idea of having relatively centralised services complementing the distributed network makes a lot of sense I suspect, with similar realisations percolating around the Fedi over time, and it might be fruitful to see it succeed instead of the usual Fedi snobbiness around not being a “real” federstion.
Standards bodies is where social protocols traditionally go to die (see Jabber/XMPP).
Fully portable accounts, even fully portable communities, is something possible with Lemmy (not implemented), along with several other interesting possibilities.
Yeah, they will pay lip service to nonprofit/decentralized to keep the tech people from shutting it down immediatley, but it will never (can never) be Mastodon.
It’s the same thing Threads did with ActivityPub. I kinda doubt it was ever seriously discussed, just wanted the story around it to be about ActivityPub and not how it was just a boring Twitter clone.
I just want to be in the most free place where I can talk to people.
So far, this is it. I don’t think the Twitter/Bluesky/Mastodon model really promotes discussion. The Reddit/Lemmy model does, by design, expectation.
@BlinkerFluid @hedge I agree with your overall point: social networks where you subscribe to a community seem to get more replies (and longer replies) than ones where you subscribe a person. They also make it harder for influencers to take off – anyone’s post has a chance of generating discussion. They deemphasize who the OP is.
Mastodon’s ability to follow those communities is, IMO, a killer feature that I hope more people discover. (Case in point: I’m posting this from Mastodon right now.)
I want to converse in a place where most people are civil and tolerant of ideas even if these ideas challenge their view of the world. People don’t have to agree, but I think most people should be treated with dignity and respect. Further, I would love to converse in place where people are rational actors and free thinkers, rather than just simply aligned and regurgitating their group’s thought leaders’ talking points. A place where people have been taught the scientific method, fallacies, how to discern most propaganda and advertising, and also have at least a minimum understanding of philosophy, psychology and sociology.
In other words, I want to converse in a complete fantasyland.
Joking aside, these arts were once taught to all students at most universities. I’m not sure if they are anymore, but the news paints a picture that they’ve been exchanged for more “employable” skills. I hope to see more pushback against those efforts.
I agree with this. I’m self-hosting both Mastodon and Lemmy. I’ll use Mastodon maybe once a week, same as I used to do on Twitter. On the other hand, I’m on Lemmy pretty much every day. I like long-form discussions a lot more than Twitter-style posts, and it’s way easier to read through comments on here since there’s proper threading.
bluesky is not that great. I can’t recommend it.
Cool then send me the invite i requested a year ago
Tell me about it! All this “Bluesky this!” And “Bluesky that!”, and I’m still just waiting to be allowed to see what it even looks like for myself 🙄
Pretty sure it’s also been a year at least on the wait-list for me. My guess is that the list isn’t even used, and nobody is getting in without an invite 😑
Update: I’ve now received an invite, thank you! 😊❤️
I joined the waitlist months ago and all I heat is Bluesky is growing but I still have no news about being able to use it…
