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Chat Control 2.0: EU governments set to approve the end of private messaging and secure encryption(www.patrick-breyer.de)

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This would probably fit in better in the technology community and I’m pretty sure it has been shared already, so sorry for the duplicate, especially since it was already on the !privacyguides@lemmy.one and and !europe@feddit.de communities.

I found it interesting because just a few months ago The Linux Experiment made a video that I shared and, while that video was talking about laws in France that I believed at the time would lead to eventually banning encrypted apps it now appears that the possibility of that is now looming over us…moreso after what happened in Arras.

Edit (in French) https://www.numerama.com/tech/1533652-attaque-a-arras-darmanin-vise-les-messageries-et-leur-chiffrement.html

Yes, the attack in Arras is being used as a reason to consider banning encrypted chat apps like Signal and WhatsApp.

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Pantoffel@feddit.de
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This needs more visibility

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bbbhltz@beehaw.orgOP
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The author of the post is on Mastodon and is following the votes.

https://digitalcourage.social/@echo_pbreyer/111227503462181100

It looks like there could be a “blocking minority” but I’m just parroting because I have no clue of that is something to celebrate or just a false hope.

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incendiaryperihelion@lemm.ee
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How can this be enforced?

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dark_stang@beehaw.org
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It can’t be enforced outside of their borders. And it’s barely enforceable inside of them. Matrix chat will probably get more popular. Proton, and other private email services, will still exist. This seems like people who don’t understand tech trying to regulate it.

ETA: if you think this is enforceable, look at how common piracy still is despite it being illegal in most places. VPNs, onion routing, alternative DNS, etc.

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EthicalAI@beehaw.org
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The only effect a law like this would have on me is me using the stuff more and probably contributing it to it.

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library_napper@monyet.cc
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There’s many corporations with offices in the EU that would face fines.

Obviously that doesn’t mean people wouldn’t be able to use e2ee services without backdoors, but this law would still result in degraded privacy for millions of people.

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library_napper@monyet.cc
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By fining corporations that dont install backdoors in their software

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smeg@feddit.uk
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The (Tory) UK government tried this exact same thing, accepted that it wasn’t possible to enforce, but pushed the law through anyway earlier this year.

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Wulfinna@beehaw.org
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I hope this won’t effect protonmail.

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willhig@beehaw.org
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Proton is a Swiss entity, so while they may have to change how they work where a law like this is in effect, they could continue to offer the same e2e encryption for Swiss and other markets.

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library_napper@monyet.cc
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It’s not a chat service…

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jarfil@beehaw.org
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Obligatory warning: Protonmail offers zero protection against orders issued to Protonmail to spy on any target.

They serve you the JavaScript used for encryption, you have no way of checking whether it’s the same they serve everyone else, or whether your version has a backdoor.

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Xavier@lemmy.ca
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Exactly! I always wondered about that particular issue.

Although, if one encrypt themself their email through GPG or other means before sending it, it’s almost a non issue excepting metadata (sender, receiving email address, timestamp, etc.).

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Norgur@kbin.social
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Looking forward to the flood of lawsuits to strike this thing down, just as any other proposal that goes on thisndirecto

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bbbhltz@beehaw.orgOP
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Some of the encrypted chat providers can already read messages, so no skin off their backs.

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smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de
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Some is a very important word.

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das@lemellem.dasonic.xyz
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Really disappointing to see this coming from the EU, I expected better from them

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