NY bill would require a criminal history background check for the purchase of a 3D printer::Requires a criminal history background check for the purchase of a three-dimensional printer capable of creating firearms; prohibits sale to a person who would be disqualified on the basis of criminal history from being granted a license to possess a firearm.
A tube capable of firing a projectile isn’t hard to make though. Maybe they should require a criminal history background check to go to the hardware store too.
Classic pro-gun community, rushing to brigade a gun-related post with pre-prepared talking points.
“Why bother fixing gun laws that clearly fail to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people when you can just 3D print a gun?”
*someone makes a move to stop dangerous people 3D printing guns*
“Why bother preventing dangerous people 3D printing guns when you can just buy a bit of pipe at the hardware store?”
Criminals and domestic terrorists overwhelmingly just go to a store and buy a gun. The pro-gun community is fine with this.
For the minority that can’t, straw purchases, gun show loopholes and poorly secured firearms give them much better access to safer, more reliable guns than 3D printing does. The pro-gun community is fine with this too.
A tiny fraction of crimes involve 3D printed gun parts and I’m not aware of any domestic terrorism to use any. Nevertheless, somebody could in theory print parts for a fully automatic weapon that would potentially be reliable enough for a mass shooting.
So how many crimes are being comitted with a piece of old pipe?
I know self-absorbed, gun-owning, 300lbs men pretending they’d be useful in a militia want to angrily hammer out a comment along the lines of “WHAT ABOUT THAT ASSASSINATION IN JAPAN YOU CUCK”.
But the one example you can cite without googling, from every single country with gun control was clearly dogshit barely worked.
It would be a massive improvement if American criminals were forced to use home made firearms that significantly increased the price, difficulty to obtain and the danger to themselves using it.
But the pro-gun community objects by walking down a list of bullshit excuses because they can’t just say “I’d rather people were shot than I was inconvienced”.
I’m against it because I know the pro-gun claim of “fixing deeply flawed gun laws is pointless because people will just 3D print guns” is a lie.
Should it one day come true, I’d reconsider my position.
But it hasn’t come true anywhere else in the world, nor have any other pro-gun promises come true in the last 20 years.
It’s crazy how the first thing you did was complain about people with premade talking points rushing to brigade a post, yet you’re in here posting walls of text under everyone who is pointing out the logical inconsistencies of banning unregulated 3d printers but not other hardware related purchases.
Even stranger is, I can’t figure out what you’re upset about. You yourself say that only a tiny fraction of gun violence comes from 3d printed weapons, you say you’re against the bill, so why are you getting hostile and making wild, baseless as hominem attacks against people who think it’s a pointless bill?
It’s crazy how the first thing you did was complain about people with premade talking points rushing to brigade a post, yet you’re in here posting walls of text under everyone who is pointing out the logical inconsistencies of banning unregulated 3d printers but not other hardware related purchases.
I have absolutely no idea what point you’re trying to make here since the things before and after your “yet” have nothing to do with each other.
Are you trying to claim I’m brigading with a single account or somehow manipulating votes?
Even stranger is, I can’t figure out what you’re upset about.
Well that’s on you.
making wild, baseless as hominem attacks
Oh damn I was hoping you didn’t know that you can instantly win any debate by just (almost) saying the names of logical fallacies.
“Ad Hominem” means that someone isn’t inherently wrong just because they’re dogshit. They can both still be wrong and dogshit.
Want to point out exactly where I claimed someone must be wrong because they were a bad person?
Even stranger is, I can’t figure out what you’re upset about.
It seems like they latched onto the idea that everyone who comments along the lines of “This is a stupid idea.”, secretly intends to say “This is a stupid idea, which is why there shouldn’t be any gun regulation at all.” instead. Needless to say, that’s an insane take and only results in them constructing these giant straw man arguments against people who are most likely on the same side as them.
I’m not pro-gun, stupid. I’m pro-thinking which you’re clearly not. Nice troll username btw.
You rushed right in with their talking points, so I assumed your goal was to spread them. I don’t want to break your little heart but I respond to the things people say on social media without forming an intimate relationship with them first.
But the point is that literally anyone could be.
A simple gun is just a tube with one end closed off. You can make a blackpowder musket for about 30 bucks at a hardware store. They even sell the lighters to set off the charge.
3d printers also make shitty guns, for the most part. Unless you’re paying hundreds of dollars for the rest of the firearm, all your making is the part that holds everything together. If you’re not using real firearm parts, a solid plastic gun is largely useless.
Are they going to require background checks to operate a CNC machine too? Cause that’s probably gonna cripple the manufacturing industry.
You can easily create a firearm with a short length of steel pipe and a nail. I don’t know how this will do anything. Plus people can just drive to another state.
Well then you’ll know what to do when your guns are taken away won’t you?
When you’ve finished building it (and the home made ammo to go in it), don’t forget to post a picture of your new baby to all the pro-gun communities.
I’m sure they’ll all be very jealous of your dogshit “pipe and nail” gun.
I can tell ya havent interacted with the firearms communited too much. Its a lot like the car communited, sure there are quite a few folks who are overcompensating dickbags but there are just as many folks who just like em in generally which means the weirder the more interesting.
If someone could get a steel pipe and a nail to work as a functional firearm that can fire once theyd be respected, if they could get it to fire more than once and consistently there a solid chance theyd become a saint of the firearms community.
That will never happen in the lifetime of anyone who can read these comments. Our gun rights are set in stone and there’s nothing you can ever do about it.
Oh, did we start requiring criminal background checks for pipes and metal stock too? This is the same problem we’re facing in the rest of the country, everything can be used as a weapon, and requiring background checks on all of them is gonna do nothing to stop gun crime. Regulate the damn guns, that is the only thing that will help.
US: We have a gun problem.
Also, US: We’ve tried everything but regulate guns and we’re all out of ideas!
No you don’t understand. The pro-gun community would support a solution, it just needs to be instantly and 100% effective without inconveniencing a single gun owner or costing anything.
It’s a completely reasonable position and not at all just an excuse to do nothing.
Maybe the answer is that every single human being should own a gun and carry it every single place they go 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year.
America isn’t the only country in the world with hardware stores yet is still the only country in the world with weekly mass shootings – 80% of which use legally purchased firearms and 0% of which use home made guns.
You’re getting downvoted to shit on most of your comments but just wanted to say you are not wrong.
Oh I’m sorry, they’ve been used in three mass shootings since 2013, which is almost 0.01% of mass shootings in that period. How terribly misleading of my propaganda.
Practically neck and neck with the 80% that use legally purchased firearms and the 10% that use the legally purchased and poorly secured firearm of a family member.
Makes it look like they’re doing something about crime. Doesn’t stop anyone from selling or buying them one, though, does it?
Private party transfers of anything can’t really be forced to abide background checks. If you want to buy a used printer from your friend you can just buy it, not inform the government, and skirt any background check requirements.
How do they plan to run a background check before I click the “buy” button?
