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15 years in prison for “endangering a fetus”? Then giving birth only for that child to not have a mommy during childhood, adolescence, and teenage years?

And this is considered good policy by those who create these laws?

wtf

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The cruelty is the point. The well-being of the fetus is the excuse.

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Excuse, more like sales pitch. You get together a bunch of old men who want to control women they will come up with the idea of being cruel to them when they disobey. Sounds pretty fucked up, how would you get people to agree? Don’t worry about that, they will sell the idea abortion is murder. You wouldn’t feel sorry for a murderer would you?

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This is about forcing women to live in fear and under control of the patriarchy.

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And punishing women for having sex.

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With someone besides me. I mean, how could she? Send her to prison!

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conservatives dont create logical policies. there is absolutely nothing logical about their ‘platform’… except maybe ‘brainwash masses to accumulate wealth’

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The conservatives’ platform is entirely logical:

  1. Removing education, opportunities, and social safety nets keeps people ignorant, poor, and vulnerable.

  2. Without government willing to help, people in need are forced to turn to the church.

  3. Religion breeds more conservatives.

(Forced-birth polices not only take step #3 literally, but also enhance step #1 by burdening young people with kids they aren’t ready for.)

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Its not about creating healthy environments or being concerned about the sanctity of life.

its about punishing the “other” for reproducing and dictating everything a woman can do.

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These are people who believe in generational punishment. You should be punished for what your parents did.

Remember, we’re all paying for what Adam and Eve did.

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You’d think so, but try bringing up reparations and see how quickly they change their tune about the sins of their fathers.

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Oh it’s always “different” when it’s me being judged…

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I thought god forgave us for that when our ancestors nailed his son to a cross?

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But only if you say you love Jesus forever and will follow the church.

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It’s about control over women, none of the pedo conservatives care about the well being of kids at all.

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I think it was for previous charges after she violated probation. But yeah, if we’re going to talk about endangering a fetus, then everyone who had a hand in her jail conditions and who ignored her when she went in to labor should also be in prison because every one of them is guilty of endangerment.

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No she was one of several women imprisoned under a new Alabama statute for “chemical endangerment of a fetus.” You know, a “crime” that already can’t be committed again by the time the imprisoned reach trial for it because of the way our “justice” system works.

Those women aren’t allowed to endanger a fetus, but the all-knowing authorities are, apparently. (Yes, let’s forcibly cold-turkey detox a pregnant person who was using. Great idea.)

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Oh I read the article last week and misremembered what the 15 years was for. Either way, not one person was actually interested in protecting her fetus.

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All cops and judges have qualified immunity🤷

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Not quite. Judges and prosecutors typically have absolute immunity: https://review.law.stanford.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2021/06/Keller-73-Stan.-L.-Rev.-1337.pdf

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It’s never ever about protecting children.

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And this is considered good policy by those who create these laws?

It’s only good for the private prison industry that funds their campaigns, and bad for pretty much everyone else.

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Alabama is a conservative confederate state. This is their preferred political outcome, yes, exactly.

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Did you read the article?

accusations that she’d tested positive for methamphetamine while pregnant

Pretty sure a child being raised in foster care is safer than one dying in the womb from narcotics poisoning.

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Who conducted the tests? What is the false positive rate? Was retesting done to ensure accuracy? Does CPS get to choose the testing labs, maybe the ones that get the results that they want? Did the sample have identification on it that a manager at the testing center could trace to the person?

I will start believing the criminal justice system the day I don’t read weekly stories of missing body cam footage.

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I don’t know but none of that is what we were discussing.

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Safer physically? Maybe. Questionable give the state of our foster care system. It’s almost never a better alternative. 15 years for that is vile.

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Questionable give the state of our foster care system

Right, so, death is better than foster care. Noted.

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Jesus, what a nightmare story. That entire article is filled with horror. She must have felt so terrified and alone.

“After Caswell delivered her baby alone and lost consciousness, staff still refused to render aid and instead took photos of her baby without her consent, her lawyers allege. When she returned to the jail from the hospital, staff denied her access to her prescribed breast pump and ibuprofen.”

Wtf is wrong with people? It’s so fucking petty and mean. I’m gonna assume that none of the staff will actually face any consequences…?

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Do they ever?

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But over the next seven months of incarceration for “chemical endangerment” in the Etowah county detention center (ECDC), Caswell was denied regular access to prenatal visits, even as officials were aware her pregnancy was high-risk due to her hypertension and abnormal pap smears, according to a lawsuit filed on Friday against the county and the sheriff’s department. She was also denied her prescribed psychiatric medication and slept on a thin mat on the concrete floor of the detention center for her entire pregnancy.

It’s never been about protecting the fetus, it’s always been about punishing the woman for being a “slut”

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Conservatism is a plague of oppression, misery and death. It always has been.

If a conservative can find a way to cause harm, they must do it. That is simply who they are at their core.

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Don’t need to do any better when I can just keep everybody else down

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They have no plan for building or creation. Nothing about taking care of citizens. It’s misery and lashing out at the other and these motherfuckers build a whole personality around simply objecting to progress. They are a cancer and we need to cut it out before the whole world is metastasized out of existence

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what a “pro-life” move right? letting a mother and a newborn baby almost fucking die in prison

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Yeah, at this point, they’re just being terrible humans.

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But excellent capitalists!

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