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Economists have predicted 20 of the last 5 recessions…

Economics is great at explaining why something happened or what may happen in the future but complete shit at predicting when something will happen.

For a decade in the run up to the 2008 housing crash everyone was saying it was just around the corner but they were wrong for 9 of the 10 years.

If every year you predict the world will end or the market will crash, eventually you will be correct…

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Right, but if you’re watching someone blow up a balloon, you know eventually it will pop even if you don’t know exactly when. That doesn’t mean you’re wrong to suggest we should stop inflating the balloon to avoid the pop.

If you just say the market will crash, maybe it will or maybe it won’t. If you say that the conditions exist for a crash, and describe them accurately, you’re right whether there is a crash or not.

And if you say there’s 100% chance, not only are you likely to be wrong, you’re also a useless moron deserving of ridicule.

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if you’re watching someone blow up a balloon, you know eventually it will pop even if you don’t know exactly when.

There are two problems with this.

1: When a lot of people are making money by inflating the balloon, telling them to stop is not going to work well.

2: If the ballon ends up taking 20 breaths to pop and you are telling them to stop every time they blow in the ballon and it doesn’t for the first 19 times, they tend to think you are the boy who cried wolf and just keep on ignoring you.

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  1. You’re right, that’s why you need legislation and regulation to prevent them from blowing up the balloon. The people pointing out the causal relationship aren’t necessarily in a position to do that themselves, they need to raise awareness so that there is sufficient concern to do something about it. That ain’t happening as long as bribery is legal, but that’s not the economist’s fault.

  2. That’s also not the economist’s fault. Raising the alarm and accurately predicting the causes of a crash are the things the economist are supposed to do. The boy who cried wolf was pretending when he raised the alarm. The economist is accurately describing the state of affairs, and the potential ramifications. Whether it takes 20 breaths or 100, the balloon will pop unless we take action and that remains true. If the boy who cried wolf saw wolves, and the wolves didn’t attack the sheep the first night, the boy is still doing his job to warn people. To torture this analogy a bit more, it’s like everyone can see the approaching wolves, and it is the townspeople who are the idiots for not believing the boy.

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And if you can make money by getting as close as possible to the pop while still stopping in time, many people will take that gamble

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Economics is great at coming up with plausible sounding stories about why things happened, but that doesn’t mean those explanations are correct. The fact that the same theories lead to incorrect predictions is a strong indicator that the explanations are wrong, too.

Or to put it more bluntly, most of the field of economics looks a lot like a pseudoscience.

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most of the field of economics looks a lot like a pseudoscience.

Well, when one of the founding assumptions is that humans make rational economic decisions, you are in for a bad time.

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What if you assume they have infinite time horizons or instantaneous and free transaction costs over infinite distances?

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I called this out when I was 19 and first took econ 101.

I was like, the foundational premise of this entire field is demonstrably wrong, wtf

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1 point

Shhh. Picketty might hear you.

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1 point

A broken clock is right two times a day.

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Yes, but because it is broken, you never know when it is right. So even when it is correct it is still useless.

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2 points

Exactly.

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6 points

A slow running clock is still broken but technically right even less often. I use that metaphor at work to describe bad co-workers.

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0 points

You guys ruin everything. I hope you’re happy.

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1 point

Now that analog blocks are rare, is this even valid anymore?

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5 points

I may have been early but I’m not wrong

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3 points

Hey that’s not fair I’m a circus clown now

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34 points

lol that rag will take any chance to attack anyone left of center

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73 points

And Biden, too.

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16 points

Lol, gottem!

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7 points

Took me a second. Good one.

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If only he weren’t quite right to he called left…

Edit: Sorry, Feel the need to elaborate.

In 1980s, he was not liberal. Held him back.

In 2020s, we was not liberal, he was progressive. Pushed him forward.

That shit got him locked in by all the clandestined powers that be.

According to the progressives: “at least it wasn’t Bernie.”

Two elections running…

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Which is crazy to me. He’s a huge neolib. He may be more progressive than anticipated, but he certainly isn’t on the left.

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Neoliberal doesn’t even have a definition anymore. People just say it to disparage anyone they want to.

Biden doesn’t fit many of any of the metrics of a neoliberal.

He’s not huge on privatization, he opposes austerity measures, he has been a proponent of much greater regulation, and he sure as shit isn’t a proponent on cutting government spending.

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4 points

“Anyone left or center”. Lol.

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6 points

You know who else has a recession? ( going by public definition of recession of 2 quarters of negative gdp growth)

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7 points

Don’t get your panties in a bunch - they said 100% likely but they didn’t talk about the 80% margin of error, that’s all!

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All of the people who can still afford food and housing forgetting that the world doesn’t revolve around them and that the world is in the midst of a depression…

Not Bidens fault mind you. It’s just another global systemic failure to add to the list.

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It says US Recession.

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Are you fuckin’ with me right now?

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Good argument

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