"After my last long post, I got into some frustrating conversations, among them one in which an open-source guy repeatedly scoffed at the idea of being able to learn anything useful from people on other, less ideologically correct networks. Instead of telling him to go fuck himself, I went to talk to about fedi experiences with people on the very impure Bluesky, where I had seen people casually talking about Mastodon being confusing and weird.
“My purpose in gathering this informal, conversational feedback is to bring voices into the “how should Mastodon be” conversation that don’t otherwise get much attention—which I do because I hope it will help designers and developers and community leaders who genuinely want Mastodon to work for more kinds of people refine their understanding of the problem space.”
Is there a reason why you didn’t continue your last long post? Is there a benefit to wiping those conversations from your OP repeatedly?
Oh. You think the OP wrote the link?
No. I’ll edit in some quote marks. Apologies for any confusion.
The author is on mastodon: @kissane@mas.to.
It’s not trivial to enable them to see such a post as this but it would be possible.
You could, on mastodon, post to her with a link to this post, or better, a mastodon specific link (PITA to find).
Or, if you’re game, post to this community from mastodon while also at-ing her.
These are just suggestions, not saying at all that you should have done any of this
Thanks. I’m never quite sure how to deal with that, if I’m linking to the author’s own work/site (I generally do try to make sure there is a relevant credit otherwise). Does the username help increase their visibility (good) or does it just encourage harassment from people who cannot accept that the Fediverse is ever anything less than perfect?
Probably a bit of both, and context-dependent so it’s always a judgement call.
I did try the Lemmy-on-Mastodon thing and hated it (just a stream of out-of-context posts dominating my feed) so I probably wouldn’t do that.
I kinda agree with most of hese points tbh, I still have an account on Mastodon but due to issues outlined in the article it is still very empty and soulless to me, even compared to twitter that after all the bullshit it’s been going through still has actual interesting content and people there (and the algorithm that actually shows me their content I’m interested in instead of an chronological timeline with 90% worthless comments).
#explore on Mastodon is a good way to find stuff you wouldn’t see on your own feed. (It’s how I found this article.)
And there are various bots that allow you to follow people on Twitter (birdsite.makeup etc). Although my instance has decided they don’t like that so it’s a bit harder to find them than it was.
But yes, I think the article does a good job of articulating the problems. I hope they get solved because there’s a lot I like very much about Mastodon but it does not have the depth and breadth of content (yet). And hashtags do not work well enough as a replacement for search (I followed #BBC to get more news in my feed and ended up with a bit of news and a lot of porn).
Lemmy/Kbin are a more friendly Reddit.
Mastadon is a more friendly Twitter.
Reddit was more friendly than Twitter.
Mastodon is primed to have some peak “Reddit moments”, but that’s ok.
Its a good tool for sharing and finding thoughts/articles/news, but if I want good discourse, I’m logging into Kbin.
I’d argue that Kbin’s a bit more - it’s viewing and publishing capacity for users exceeds that of Mastodon or Lemmy given that it bridges the “Redditverse” and “Twitverse” styles of communication exceptionally well. Content is more discoverable as you’ve got the ability to follow (and block if need be) not only people, but communities and even entire domains, and the search capability scans both Mastodon and Lemmy.
For those using Kbin, your Mastodon posts and traffic show up in the Microblog section.
In my view, Kbin holds the most potential in the Fediverse, both for the average user and the content creator. It’s pretty damn cool to be able to view and publish to pretty much every major instance, regardless of the platform they run.
This is a really good blog post, with a lot of lessons to learn. I like how technical solutions are proposed to problems of platform culture.
At least some of the obsession over unwritten rules - especially content warnings - seems to me to have been a thing only around the time of the first Twitter exodus, and I never really saw too much fuzz about it before or after. Thank God, or I would probably have left too. People still make a deal about alt texts, but that’s generally less alienating.
When it comes to serendipity and finding content, I think maybe the solution should lie in alternatives to Mastodon - while I prefer Mastodon for curating my own feed, the microblogging integration on kbin is nigh better for discovering interesting content around the fediverse more generally. It does, however, give rise to a Matthews effect that’s intentionally absent from Mastodon.
It will be interesting to see how different federated microblogging platforms will deal with discoverability as they mature. And, not least, how Mastodon users will feel about their content suddenly being promoted by algorithms on services that are completely foreign to them.
In my humble opinion, a twitter-like platform needs a big central algorithm that can associate posts with certain topics and interests to be able to serve up an interesting feed, because most people are just kind of shouting into the void and that endless storm of posts has to be filtered and organized somehow, otherwise everything you see is just benign uninteresting garbage. Lemmy/Kbin have the advantage that by nature all posts are neatly sorted into topic-based communities, and it’s a lot easier to subscribe to the stuff you find interesting, and block the stuff you don’t like.
Well that’s easy, just add tags to your toot and everything is dandy. No need for an algorithm.
because nobody tags their toots on mastodon, huh? And you can’t follow tags either. Very strange service.
Yeah the only problem imo is that people have to use them in their posts. When done correctly it’s hard to beat. If you constantly see people spamming hashtags, just block them. Curate your feed.
It would be great if you could follow a cluster of tags as one topic, but just following each tag as it’s own thing works. I almost prefer following tags over people on Mastodon.
a twitter-like platform needs a big central algorithm that can associate posts with certain topics and interests to be able to serve up an interesting feed
I grew up on Tumblr and it thrived for the longest time with a chronological timeline.
most people are just kind of shouting into the void and that endless storm of posts has to be filtered and organized somehow
Yes, it was done through tagging. Notably, tags in Tumblr didn’t have to be inline.
Tagging died on Twitter because the inscrutable blackbox of the algorithm made people unsure if tags actually improved the visibility of their posts or not, there’s some folk-wisdom that suggests excessive tagging leads to deboosting of your profile, since it could have been considered spammy. Also, there’s only so many characters in a Twitter post and sometimes there’s just not enough left for relevant tags.
