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Unfortunately not Open Source: https://gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/grayjay/-/blob/master/LICENSE

I’ll keep using NewPipe. Their software seems neat, I’ll happly pay for it, but no way I’ll do if there is licence like that.

Edit: They say the licence is only temporary. Let’s keep an eye which one they’ll choose later.

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Technically open source in what definition? Not by Open Source Initiative definition (https://opensource.org/osd/), not in Wikipedia’s definition (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source)…

Public code on GitLab does not mean open source in the same way public video on YouTube does not mean Creative Commons.

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Technically open source in what definition?

By the literal definition of source code that is open.

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There is a difference between open source and source available…

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He accidentally sent people to a Newpipe clone once and that’s why they should have the right to kill your license at any point in time for any reason or no reason at all.

That’s only half the reason, let’s not forget opposition lobbyists abusing unidentified loopholes in his initial R2R drafts, which are very costly to rectify later both time wise and monetary wise, even if at all possible. The mindset of companies screwing with you is probably not something that is easy to shake off, especially encountering it each day fighting serialisation and other rubbish just to repair someones macbook.

While not ideal, I respect his decision taken with the license chosen, even if it’s against the spirit of what most people consider to be open source.

The organisation behind the app, FUTO, wants to take control back from companies and put into the hands of people, and while we can make the argument that FUTO are being hypocritical by keeping the keys to the castle per se, they have delivered an app that puts control back in our hands - removing the need to have a separate youtube, patreon, nebula and soundcloud app, alongside others, where you can follow individual creators easier on the platforms where you financially support them.

It won’t appeal to people who just want to watch YouTube without ads (go NewPipe, Revanced etc…) or staunch FOSS supporters, both of which are seeking other ideals from their media consumption apps of choice.

The kind of people who will be using this app the most right now IMO will be Nebula and Patreon users, this app is like a dream come true compared to the official ones

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I sympathise with his reasoning for the license but still, that sucks.

I think I’ll try it anyway, though. It’s trying to solve a real issue.

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Is there any way to view live content in New pipe? I love watching the young Turks when it’s on, but I have to use the YouTube app because I cannot figure out how to watch a live broadcast in new pipe.

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Louis explains the license in the video. You can fork it and modify it, but if you fill it up with ads, spyware, malware etc., they fill fuck you.

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That’s their goal. They have good intentions. But it also means no commercial use.

You can’t do “Hey, can you add this feature to this app, I’ll pay you” or “Here is much improved version you can buy from me” or “We give you paid support and help for this software for your company”. Eventually all improvements bounce back to original creators anyway, see: vital paid Wordpress theme ecosystem, most of them being GPL licenced.

With project getting bigger such restriction can be almost as bad as with propietary app. Like, imagine Linux kernel but only with Linus Torvalds having right to sell computers with it or offer any services making money.

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You can not modify the source code.

you are not entitled to use or do anything with the code for any commercial or other purpose, other than review, compilation and non-commercial distribution in accordance with the terms of this license.

“review” means to access, analyse, test and otherwise review the code as a reference, for the sole purpose of analysing it for defects.

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doesn’t it allow compilation and non-commercial distribution? I don’t agree with the license (not free or open source), but I’m genuinely curious on what specifically doesn’t allow source code modification.

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Quite unfortunate.

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Quite informative. Quite unfortunate.

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Neat idea. I’m going to watch how this develops but I don’t see it ever becoming much of a thing until there is iOS support. I’m not an iPhone user. Just realistic.

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Almost no third party frontend supports iOS because of their absolutely shitty sideloading limitations and they still work great…

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Third party frontends of all kinds are forbidden on the Play and App store but we Android users have F-Droid and if the license is changed at some point (it’s supposed to be temporary as far as I understand) it will probably land there, till then Obtanium is probably your best bet I guess.

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It is on the Google Play Store.

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This is something I always wonder about—is there a good source for realistic market share of mobile os?

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Wild, so understandably android is a much greater share, given the wide variety of phones it can run on… I’m guessing iOS is a favored app market because it’s more monolithic or stable? Or put another way the android share is fragmented all over the place?

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Interesting, thanks for the share!

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Something about Louis just strikes me as extremely untrustworthy. I’m not sure what it is, but it’s definitely there.

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everything I’ve ever seen about the guy is legit. he works for consumer rights, if you want untrustworthy look at Apple.

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He might come off as edgy but honestly he’s one of the few people I trust online. Dude did amaizing stuff with right to repair stuff too.

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New York accent? I’ve occasionally watched his videos for years, and he seems to be a decent guy. He may be an asshole IRL for all I know, but generally supports stuff like right to repair, privacy, ad-blockers, etc. He’s a business owner, so he’s pro-business biased when consumers aren’t being completely shafted. He’s YouTuber, so he likely has narcissistic tendencies.

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Met him IRL. Super nice, but he’s got a hard edge which might put people off.

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Not Foss so not an option

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Dumber

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Better revanced = NewPipe

No algorithms, no Google tracking

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User experience Newpipe is absolute trash

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It plays videos fine?

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i would use directly my phone’s video player if it was what i used youtube for.

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Not wrong but it functions the best of them all and is the most reliable. I like LibreTube, but it’ll stop working a lot for me when NewPipe never fails. I just wish I could get my YouTube front page and recommended on there, I like my algos.

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it’s getting a rewrite/large modifications to the code

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But you cant cast videos to SmartTube with it. So i think Revanced has the better versatility.

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I personally find LibreTube even better, since it syncs with your Piped account.

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