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Some work from home dude cheat the system to work 2 full-time job at a same time. Not anymore. Well done CEO.

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I thought my employer wants me to come in is because a lot of my work is hands on. Kinda hard to debug an electrical problem remotely.

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There’s an often overlooked part that you could call the “extrovert factor.” There’s always plenty of coworkers that thrive in group settings. Some number, maybe most, middle managers are extroverts, and when forced to work the way the average minion does, they suffer. It’s why they became middle managers in the first place. Their productivity suffers in isolation too, so when converted into a wage slave, they can’t complete with less extroverted people. Unfortunately they’re better situated to promote their own success, getting by in people skills while more competent people get screwed.

Extroverts also seem to suffer in productivity during WFH, even if they aren’t managers. They are stuck in a situation that hurts their functionality, offsetting the statistics. If they actually broke down WFH productivity by job description, I suspect that the extrovert/introvert factor will be a huge determiner of productivity.

Optional office hours seem the best fix, but the corporate attitude of obsessively monitoring the workers to be sure they’re not wasting time and therefore money is another factor that makes these companies want to favor their preconceptions. The confirmation bias kicks in and then we have to listen to them focus on it.

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Some people just hate their spouses or children too.

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There may be some accuracy in your analysis about the causes for differences in preferences, but a broader issue might be the poverty of opportunities for meaningful social interaction outside the alienated relationships of the workplace.

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Middle manager here: they want you to quit, and me to do your job plus the jobs of the other 3 who just left after you’re gone.

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What do middle managers do in WFH jobs? Most companies I’ve worked in have as many “managers” as bottom level employees. It’s hilarious

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In the best case, mentoring.

In the worst case, produce carbon dioxide, which the plants would need if they weren’t plastic and only in the central office thousands of miles away.

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I’m a middle manager. I run reports to make sure my team is doing what they’re supposed to do and identify things they need to be coached on if they’re falling short. I also attend meetings with other teams to figure out solutions to things my team collaborates with them on.

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Isn’t that because “manager” means you’re exempt from overtime?

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They pretend there are problems that everyone else is too inept to solve.

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It isn’t, it’s all the office space they own, if people are allowed to keep working from home the retail office market will crash pretty hard.

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Good? Maybe we can convert some of the offices to housing then?

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Few organizations own their own office space, most lease. So it’s not so much “they”, the CEOs, but “they”, the venture capitalists. These investors have a stake not only in the organization, but separately have investments in commercial office real estate that they stand to lose money on if those leases aren’t renewed.

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In principle, municipalities could gain control of the assets.

Little doubt, if a course were followed, the previous owners would be compensated at outrageously inflated prices, defended as rescuing the investors, but nevertheless, control by the public, in the sense of genuine control by the public rather than control by corporations pretending to be concerned for the public, could open pathways for many opportunities toward social interests.

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This is surely the biggest one.

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Cool. Then we can convert it to housing

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I’m told that office buildings are actually terrible from a housing standpoint. Like, it’s actually easier to just tear the whole thing down and build an entirely new complex than convert it into apartments.

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Perhaps. There are other possible uses, though, such as commons spaces. Also, even housing that has a quirky design may carry value, within the context, in symbolizing transformation away from the old.

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This is very true. So let’s do it.

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Whoa hold up partner we have zoning laws for that.

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Death and zoning laws are the two inalienable features of the human condition.

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That’s true, but rezoning applications are a thing

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It can be both.

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No one cares about retail office market. A market bubble crashing is merely an opportunity to earn money for the others. Capitalism doesn’t care about losers.

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America only has capitalism for the poor. For the rich, it’s socialism. You better believe retail office owners stand to be losers, and they have power to fight.

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There is no money to be earned though if nobody needs office space then all those offices will need to be converted to living space which will reduce the price of domestic homes too.

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Ever see how much real estate companies like Google has? If all those bay area companies said fuckit let’s be remote it would crash the market and rock the economy.

We should though, if possible.

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