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Healthcare pls

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You can have 3 free COVID vaccines, as a treat.

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Why provide healthcare when we can provide death and destruction instead!

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This is the best summary I could come up with:


Some Republican lawmakers have grown skeptical of the need to fund Ukraine’s war with Russia, and have threatened to halt government altogether to put an end to chronic U.S. budget deficits and fiscal spending fueled by $31.4 trillion in debt.

“The world is watching and the American people rightly expect their leaders to come together and deliver on these priorities,” said Biden’s budget director, Shalanda Young, in a letter to acting House Speaker Patrick McHenry.

She also told Congress of plans to submit another request for funding to deal with natural disasters, high-speed internet, child care and wild-land firefighter pay “in coming days.”

Some $14.3 billion of Friday’s funding request for the 2024 fiscal year would be dedicated to Israel, much of it to support the country’s air and missile defense systems and other weapons purchases.

The request includes billions to replenish the country’s military equipment, and would provide economic and security aid and support for refugees in the United States.

“The unwavering bipartisan support for Ukraine in the United States is incredibly encouraging for all of our warriors and for our entire nation,” Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy wrote on Friday on social media.


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Remember when we used to make fun of parliamentary governments when they became “without a government.”

Well joke’s on us right now with a Speakerless House.

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Well joke’s on us right now with a Speakerless House.

Sounds like an issue for Republicunts.

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And people who want to fund death, which is a shockingly large number of Democrats.

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Deaths would happen regardless if they can’t defend themselves

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While I’m openly in favor of supporting Ukraine, it’s important to note that the vast majority of this type of military aid is provided in kind.

So really, it’s a proposal to give US Defense contractors $100b+ to replenish and restock the DOD with new kit and munitions for the old kit and munitions that we’re providing to Ukraine. Which then get into the use accounting tricks e.g. depreciation values, etc.

The annual military aid to Israel is a little different, it’s more like a loss leader coupon: give Israel money that they have to spend with US Defense contractors, which then also incentivizes them spending their own budget on complementary systems that can be integrated with those systems, munitions, support contracts, etc.

Although in this case, I believe it’s primarily munitions and other kit that the DOD already has in warehouses.

This is oversimplified, but I just see these headline figures always being confused for pallets of cash.

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I don’t live in Ukraine. I need healthcare now. Let Blackrock and Vanguard fund Ukraine.

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We aren’t getting it eitherway, so in the meantime, at least some of our weapons are being used to defend against an imperial power, instead of to advance one.

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I don’t think the next generation is going to accept that excuse, nor should they. Enlightened Centrism is what got us to this point.

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You think the US isn’t funding Ukraine to advance its own imperial interests?

You truly think we’re just doing it because we just love “democracy” so much, or something like that?

Buddy, an imperial power is winning either way.

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Did you have healthcare before Russia invaded Ukraine and started murdering babies? Was it even on the cards?

It’s not an economic factor either. US health costs are much higher than other developed nations. It spends 17% of GDP, almost double of Germany (next highest).

Spending is without the positive outcomes. Infant mortality of 5.4 deaths per 1,000 live births (17,000 extra dead babies a year Vs an average.rate), for context you are worse than Russia with 4.9 but better tha Chile 5.9). 23.8 maternal deaths per 100,000 births being 3 times higher than most wealthy nations.

The economic considerations are that you have a lot of heath businesses. If you socialised medicine and reduced spend, you may improve health outcomes but how would they pay for the very nice buildings they have loans for?

Finally, US doesn’t want universal healthcare as a society. Whilst they may be financially wrecked by costs and live shorter more painful lives, that is far preferential than seeing the low income family get the same free cancer treatment for their child.

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Did you have healthcare before Russia invaded Ukraine

Yes, I did until they sent me a letter informing me that they were booting me off my Medicare for All plan and converting it into artillery shells for the Kherson offensive.

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Nice rhetoric. I’ve wanted healthcare since 2009, when the “Yes we can” guy didn’t. Your talking points have been disproven and Americans polled overwhelmingly want nationalized healthcare. Source. You provided no source because you pulled it out of your actuarial ass.

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While I’m openly in favor of supporting Ukraine

How about Palestine?

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Do I support giving arms to Israel? No, but that wasn’t the point of my post. It was an very high level explainer to head off the inevitable portrayal of this as a direct cash transfer.

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Did you you seriously just describe your own comment as “very high level”?

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If the Palestinians had received a quarter of what Ukraine has received in the last three years Israel would be no more. I certainly don’t have a problem with that.

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Sweet! So it’ll help the rich get richer and won’t help any of us who don’t work on the defense industry. Love it!

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I’d try to explain the geostrategic and humanitarian benefits to helping one of the world’s largest bread baskets defend against imperial conquest by an mafia run gas station, or do a deeper dive into Putin’s desire to reconquer the old USSR satellite states, or the associated risks if he was successful, but I don’t think you really care to have you opinion shaped by analysis and the realities of great power poltics, so I’ma leave you be.

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I fully support giving aid to Ukraine. Just not so sure about funding the destruction of Palestine by a country with one of the world’s strongest economies

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Yes, the correct nuanced take is pallets of cash to arms dealers and pallets of weapons to allies and puppets.

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I wonder what a poll in the US would look like if they let the people vote on this. But its an all or nothing vote. Like we vote to give both countries aid or neither.

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Why?

Why do we need to fund a genocide to stop a genocide?

Just why?

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The worst part about being pro Ukraine and pro Palestine is realising Ukraine supports Israel.

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Ukraine’s funding disappeared as one of the concessions for the 45 day funding bill while republicans pick a new speaker.

I think Zelensky is trying to play this smart because it ties something he needs (military funding) to something republicans need to support (Israel)

Whether or not he agrees with it doesn’t matter, because as a leader this is the best move for him to get funding back.

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It should open some eyes on who stands where but alas it isn’t.

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Then you vote against it.

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So I need to vote against supporting Ukraine?

I feel like you get it, you’re just trolling.

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