Israel has continued bombarding Gaza’s south despite telling 1.1 million people in the north of the besieged enclave to relocate there ahead of an expected ground offensive.

“We were displaced from Tal al-Hawa to Rafah at the request of the Israeli army, and this is what happened to us. My son is a 3-month-old martyr,” the father of a child killed in an attack in Rafah told Al Jazeera.

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Where are all those people wailing about Hamas being monsters for killing babies? This should make them even angrier and louder.

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Now don’t be silly, you’re implying there is logic and reason to their arguments instead of just emotion.

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This sounds like apologia and the logic that will breed even more Hamas clones. Israel is the one committing this atrocity. They have the power to stop it. Don’t remove that responsibility from them by saying it’s just civilian casualties.

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it’s not just civilian casualties, some of them were teenage soldiers.

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This is whataboutism but the same crowd has the opposite opinion when it come to Russia and Ukraine. And Ukraine didn’t even shoot missiles at Russia first.

So it just appears to be alignment with certain groups and countries rather than honest worry about anyone’s wellbeing.

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This sounds like apologia and the logic that will breed even more Hamas clones. Israel is the one committing this atrocity. They have the power to stop it. Don’t remove that responsibility from them by saying it’s just civilian casualties.

Did anything that you read register or did you just blindly imagine something defending Israel lol?

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1.67 "9/11"s worth of death, in retaliation for 0.47 "9/11"s worth of dead on Oct 7th.

Or, with 9/11= 2977 and the Iraq war killing 187,000 civilians, we get a ~63:1 misplaced retaliation vs. initial attack ratio. So the one could extrapolate from the 1400 dead on Oct 7th that 88,200 innocent people in Gaza will need to be killed to quench the IDF’s rage.

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Why not count the Afghans too? People keep forgetting that happened for some reason… Which is weird considering they were the first ones to be attacked in retaliation and Iraq wasn’t an answer to 9/11…

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People absolutely saw Iraq as retaliation for 9/11 too. The bush admin repeatedly lied about Iraq having ties to Al Qaeda.

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Those pesky weapons of mass destruction hidden all over Iraq just had to be destroyed! Evidence? What evidence? We don’t need evidence!!

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People are ignoring the afghans are about to be openly genocided to the tune of 1.4 million by the Pakistani government.

Too busy focusing on Israel.

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You missed something in your math there. IDF is considering the October 7th attack as “10 time worse than 9/11” so up those numbers close to 900,000. Maybe make it 911,911 for the fun propaganda value. With more than half of the 2.2 million Gaza population (although maybe we should start counting the West Bank killings as it is ramping up, too) being children and seeing how Israeli government doesn’t discriminate , maybe they can quench their bloodthrist with young blood alone, even.

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America has a population that is 35 larger than Israel. If America had lost the same percentage of their population as Israel did on Oct 7th, it would be ~49,420 dead, or the equivalence of 16 "9/11"s. That is why Biden said 10 times worse than 9/11.

Iraq currently has a population of 43.5 million. 187k is 0.42% of it’s population. If we do it by percent of population, Gaza has 2 million people, so the retaliation would kill “only” 8,600.

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Oh, so good news, the blood fugue is close to an end. I was worried this would get worse. /s

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Why would you calculate this as a percentage of population? Do you really think the population numbers of a nation have any relevance to the value of a human life?

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It’s baffling to me why this blood ratio is circulating so much in the news. Did the Las Vegas shooter kill the American equivalent of 1.8 Israelis?

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Nothing will ever quench their rage. It’s all they have.

Equally importantly, they never cared about the lives of people in Gaza. We see this all the time in war… If killing 63 number of enemies will save even 1 of our own lives, we’ll do it. Doesn’t matter if it’s 63, or 6,300, or 630,000, because the enemies’ lives aren’t worth anything to them.

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Israel has been governed by far right ultra-nationalist racists for decades now and Arabs are üntermensch in their eyes, especially Palestinians, hency why they have an Arab Israeli Citizenship separate from the Jewish Israeli Citizenship and with fewer rights and why they have very openly called them “human animals”.

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It’s “Untermenschen”, plural and the prefix doesn’t have an umlaut.

It’s also a misnomer because antisemitism is a central point of Nazism. The correct term here is “gentile”, the Zionist version of infidel.

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I remember protesting the Iraq war as a teen. What a fucking monster the U.S. has become.

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Cryptofascists will cite dead children to justify slaughtering many times more children in retaliation, each and every time, because they see those that are killed in that retaliation as less than human.

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What does this have to do with cryptography??

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I assume you’re joking but just in case you’re not (or for the sake of people reading this that didn’t catch it) by crypto- as a prefix I mean deceptively veiled fascist ideology that pretends to be something else or justified in some ostensibly politically acceptable way.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/crypto-fascist

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Why assume he’s joking? It’s probably the first time many are hearing that term.

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Nobody is justifying the killing of children here except Israel supporters.

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A Russian soldier who kills a child should be tried for war crimes. On June 1st, the UN said 525 children had been killed. The majority of those would have been killed by Ukrainian military, but it’s okay if you think Russia bares the responsibility for those as well, since Russia did invade the country. Though it would be misleading to not mention that the children killed by Ukraine in the civil war 2014-2022 is also around 525.

Russia invaded Feb 28, that’s 600 ish days ago, so on average one child dies as a result of this war every day. In the last 17 days, Israel has killed ‘nearly’ 2500 children. That’s ‘nearly’ 150 every single day. We’re outraged by both, but Israel’s slaughter needs to stop 150 times more urgently. Further, there is no argument, no security necessity, no motivation that can be attributed to Israel more convincing than pure hatred and a desire to steal land in order to explain why they are doing this. That means that the condemnation doesn’t deserve nuance. It needs to stop. Israel is the villain.

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Yeah killing innocent children isn’t the solution to anything. Shameful shit that the Whitehouse supports this horror

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The EU just confirmed that they are fine with this as well. Apparently they see no problem as long as Israel says they are trying to hit terrorists. Un-f*cking-believable!

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