Hey fellas friends. Sorry to create yet another post on this topic (maybe we should have a sticky for this?).
About 2 weeks ago I decided it was time to move on from Windows and installed Manjaro. I would consider myself a newbie-intermediate level linux user.
Though I’ve used Windows most my life, we use Linux servers (no GUI) at work, managing them is part of job description. I also own a late 2011 Macbook Pro with vanilla Arch Linux. I barely ever use it but boy, Arch really brought it back to life!
I’ve been reasonably happy with Manjaro so far, feels easy and intuitive to use but the community has made me aware that Manjaro is maybe a questionable choice. Since I don´t plan on distro-hopping a lot I want to get it right sooner rather than later.
Here’s what I’m looking for:
- Rolling distribution, preferably. Though this machine is also used for work, our environment depends mostly on remote servers anyway. I’d rather have a distribution that provides the most recent packages for whatever I want
- I don´t mind running a distribution that forces me learn new things or do things in a different way, I kinda embrace it. I just don´t enjoy complexity for complexity’s sake.
- KDE is my preferred Desktop Environment so far, though I guess that’s not very relevant. I’d love to run Hyprland, but you know… Nvidia :(
- I play games on Steam but from my understanding this doesn´t matter either. Everything I tried worked great, I don´t think I want a ¨gaming focused" distro or anything like that
- No Ubuntu, please.
My hardware, in case you feel is relevant!
OS: Manjaro Linux x86_64
Kernel: 6.5.5-1-MANJARO
Shell: bash 5.1.16
Resolution: 2560x1440, 2560x1440
WM: KWin
Terminal: konsole
Terminal Font: MesloLGS NF 10
CPU: 12th Gen Intel i7-12700K (20) @ 4.900GHz
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Lite Hash Rate
Memory: 23313MiB / 64087MiB
Anything but Manjaro. I won’t get into the reasons why because it’s easy to find, but suffice it to say that it’s an amateur distro that makes dumb mistakes.
If you want rolling, Arch, Tumbleweed and Endeavour are the first places to look. Maybe even Fedora because it updates very fast, although it’s not rolling.
I’ve been using Manjaro for years without issue. I fully understand the arguments against using it, but it’s never been a problem for me and I’m too lazy to distro hop for no good reason.
Are there problems with Manjaro? Yes, of course.
Are they bad enough that “anything but Manjaro” is good advice to give to someone? IMO, no.
Yet another “Time to reccomend EndeavourOS” reply.
Seriously tho, EndeavourOS is a pretty solid distro, and not that different from what you’re currently rocking (Manjaro is based on Arch) except well…it actually works as an Arch based distro should, unlike Manjaro. EndeavourOS’s a bit on the light side tho, and it comes with no GUI Add/Remove Software outta the box, but if you don’t like using the Konsole for that, nothing a “yay pamac-all” (or “yay pamac-all-no-snap”) and a bit of installing the packages you want/need can’t fix.
I always use pacman or yay to install stuff anyway, I won´t miss the Add/Remove GUI!
I also do this, partly outta habit and partly to hear the sounds my mechanical keyboard makes when typing lol
Anyways, I’d say you’re golden if you wanna give Endeavour a shot then
I actually like that that thing from manjaro and use it from time to time in endevour, I think is called “paman”.
I’ve looked into EndeavourOS now, and I’m very confused. Normally I’d download a .iso and burn it onto a USB using Balena Etcher (or Rufus), but the official page for EndeavourOS doesn’t have a .iso. I tried following “method three” on that article, but I don’t understand the dialog asking me to choose between Raspberry Pi, Odroid, and Pinebook. I don’t have any of those. I just have my own desktop PC with its Intel CPU. Also I see “ARM” everywhere and I think that also implies incompatibility because ARM is RISC whereas my 6th-gen Intel is CISC.
How do I get started?
Install ventoy to a flash drive, download iso from the landing page, drag it to the flash, boot
They seem to be doing UI changes to the website.
Currently the non-ARM version of the ISO is in the main page (https://endeavouros.com/) just scroll down and you’ll find the mirror list of the most recent ISO by country. Dunno why it’s there NGL shrug
OpenSUSE Tumbleweed
Just be careful with Packman repos. Docs advise to run zupper dup with --allow-vendor-change but this has broken KDE a few times for me and I was forced to revert to a previous snapshot.
That said, openSUSE Tumbleweed with snapshots is the ideal rolling release distro and works great for gaming.
Endevour OS, 100%. Is Arch but without the hassle. I did the same as you, Manjaro then Endevour. Couldn’t be happier. Also we have similar hardware (nvidia 3080) and kde+wayland is working really good here. If you would like to try something else, Nobara is great, based on fedora but with some gaming patches.
kde+wayland is working really good here
That’s nice to read. Do you also have 2 monitors? I have this issue where a screen starts to flickr randomly, apparently it’s related to multiple monitors.
Yeah. Well I have 2 + tv. I get some flicker on some xwayland apps, but right now my only remaining xwayland app is Reaper, afaik, at least the only one that flickers. No flicker on native wayland apps. Also, this workaround is worth at least trying to get rid of visual artifacts in kde:
- Search in krunner or similar for “Plasma renderer”, under “rendering loop” select “Threaded”. Then reboot, not relog, reboot.
There’s nothing wrong with Manjaro. If you say that you’re “reasonably happy with Manjaro so far, feels easy and intuitive” and you’re not into distro-hopping then I see no reason for you to switch.
If you’ve already installed Arch on another machine you probably know these things already, but here’s the basics for using an Arch-based distro (any Arch-based distro, this applies to all of them):
- You gotta keep rolling. You don’t have to upgrade every day, you don’t have to upgrade every week, but once every few months you should. That’s the whole point of a rolling distro, if you don’t want rolling you can look into point-release distros.
- It’s best to use
pacman -Syuon command line to do upgrades. - Don’t install critical stuff from AUR. Don’t install AUR graphical drivers, or AUR kernels, or replace system packages with AUR packages.
- Don’t install experimental kernels and especially don’t uninstall all other kernels and only keep the experimental ones, that’s just asking for trouble. Stick to stable/longterm kernels and always keep two versions around, just in case.
Specifically for Manjaro there’s similar advice:
- Stick to the stable releases, don’t mess around with testing or unstable unless you really know what you’re doing.
- If you want to know what’s coming in updates you can check out the announcements page. That’s also where you can find tips for fixing various package upstream annoyances – in every release post, under “known fixes and workarounds” (which happen occasionally, it’s the price you pay when using a rolling distro and staying on the bleeding edge).
