Before anything else, I would like to say that I admit systemd has brought great change to GNU/Linux. sysvinit wasn’t the best, and custom scripts for every distro is a pain I’d rather not have.

With that said, Poettering now works for Microsoft, systemd has basically taken over all of the common/popular distributions (if this is about the argument of “systemd making it easier for developers”, disclaimer: I don’t know. I’m not a developer), and this has led to a rampant monopolisation of the init system.

Memes aside, this has very real consequences. If you don’t want another CentOS-style “oof, sorry, off to testing” debacle happening with your init system, might want to look at the more “advanced” distributions that let you choose the init system.

I am well aware that systemd works well for the most part, and that gamers and most other people likely don’t care - which is fine, at least for now. I do expect to see a massive turnover in sentiment if something ever happens to systemd (not that I’d like for that to happen, but no trusting RedHat anymore), but I suppose we’ll get to it when we do.

My sentiments are well enunciated in this recent post on the Devuan forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=5826

Cheers!

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Obsolete tech gets phased out all the time. Why do so many people want to treat systemd like some kind of conspiracy? Where’s the hate for Wayland, or x86_64?

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I don’t have a very high opinion of x64 either, but that’s for a different post

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Good alternatives: Devuan, Slackware, Gentoo.

Gentoo took the better approach, imo, you can choose your init system. Done.

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Indeed. I’d add Void for runit and the BSDs to the list.

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What does Poett.'s current employment have to do with anything, though? Guido van Rossum (Python) & Simon Peyton Jones (Haskell) work at M$; I believe the guy who started Gentoo went on to work there likewise. Same with the lead dev of GNOME. I despise M$ as much as the next man; but correlations like these reek of guilt by association.

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If you don’t want another CentOS-style “oof, sorry, off to testing” debacle

The major difference is that the CentOS project is basically owned by redhat while systemd isn’t. I do not get this argument. Systemd makes it easier for EVERYONE instead of having to port services across init systems. Unless your alternative has compatibility, I won’t use it.

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– because it’s not an argument; it’s a vague association of imagery with no explanatory content.

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might want to look at the more “advanced” distributions that let you choose the init system.

Yeah, sure… integrating a init system is a huge task (if you want to do it properly). Let’s do that several times!

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