27 points

No, because a cow has to be impregnated and their baby is taken away (and either killed (male) or is also going to be a milk cow (female)) just for you having some pleasure.

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I get that, which is why I can’t wait for lab-grown meat to take off so that I can finally eat the things I enjoy guilt-free. I’ll be among the first to buy it the moment it’s at the grocery store. Hopefully lab-grown cheese comes next. Vegan “cheez” is awful.

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Vegan supermarket cheese is awful, but if you can find a cashew cheese they’re really good. My go to are the more upmarket supermarkets.

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3 points

Myoko is a great brand for all their plant-cheeses.

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2 points

I agree but vegan cheese/milk just doesn’t cut it. I’m vegetarian but until they manage to emulate the taste better I make a concession for cheese.

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You don’t really miss it after a few months. And maybe it’s stockholme syndrome but lately when I get something with vegan “cheese” on it, it hasn’t been awful. Last weekend I got a Daiya pizza thinking it was gonna be complete trash and it wasn’t horrible actually.

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I’ve heard the best way to to replace cheese (as a vegan or someone going non-diary) is to just not. The vegan cheese substitutes don’t taste good if you are used to dairy and cheese in general doesn’t really provide much nutrition

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In other words “I support cruelty against animals because of my taste buds, fully knowing what that animal cruelty contains”

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Yes, but you have to draw a line somewhere. The crops you eat have pesticides on, animals are trapped and killed to keep the places you eat and live clean.

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I support cruelty to people who post bait like this, too.

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Knowing humans, it’s either that or extinction. I think cows did a pretty smart move, evolutionairywise. That said, it is time for change.

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The breeds abused for milk are like those dogs which can’t breath. What is your stance on dogs who cant breath or run, do we need to breed them to avoid their extinction?

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My brain says yes but my bowels say no.

Brain still wins every time. I can handle some discomfort in the future for a mouth full of bliss right now.

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a mouth full of bliss right now

Are we still doing phrasing?

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I’m right there with you. You might want to try out lactase tablets. As long as you’re not snarfing buckets of ice cream you should be good.

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is it lactose intolerance?

If so, older cheeses should be fairly safe iirc.

Also, isnt there like an enzyme supplement that helps?

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Oh I’m sure it’s some form of lactose intolerance. I should probably ask a doctor some day, but decent ones are hard to come by.

Lactase does seem to work if I remember to take it.

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Yes.

what is your reason for saying so?

I don’t understand this part of the question :P

The answer is yes because the question is cheese…

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I really wish there was some ethical way of farming dairy cows, but have come to the conclusion that it just isn’t with current methods and knowledge. I have some land and love cows so considered getting one or two for hobby-farming and just so I could have my own “cruelty free” dairy. Here are some things to consider about dairy farming:

  • Only female cows produce milk.
  • Female cows only produce milk for a brief period of time after giving birth.
  • Every single cow requires at least one acre of grazing.
  • You only need one bull on a dairy farm to provide sperm.
  • Baby calves want to be near their mothers and will drink their milk.

The only way to fit these pieces together in any economical way is to: (a) forcefully impregnate cows as often as possible, (b) limit the amount of time calves can be with their mothers so they don’t drink all the milk, and (c) slaughter male calves for veal. This is cruel no matter how you slice it. If you are born a cow you are taken away from your mother and given food you don’t like and isn’t as good for you as the milk that was produced specifically for you. If you are unlucky enough to be a female cow you will spend the next several years of your life being forcefully impregnated and having your own children taken away from you every year. If you are a male cow you’ll only know life on earth for a short while before being put out of your misery. In the end, regardless of gender or age, you’ll be sent into a long line of other confused and panicked cows to be slaughtered for your meat and organs at a factory staffed by strangers in scary masks you’ve never seen before with the smell of death and terror all around you. There is no such thing as ethical dairy and any company proclaiming otherwise is not being honest with you or themselves.

Edit: I should say that there are better ways of doing most of the steps in dairy farming that aren’t as cruel. But unless consumers are okay paying something along the lines of $20 for a gallon of milk, capitalism will never permit those practices to actually happen.

Also wanted to say that I’m not necessarily against animal products. I have chickens. They are as happy as can be and give us delicious eggs every day. I feed them well and treat them like family and they don’t mind me taking their eggs. I really don’t see an issue with this exchange because there is no cruelty and both parties benefit. There are numerous examples of this with animals and animal products. However, I believe that dairy is one of those cases where there isn’t really an ethical solution. Even if you take the unnecessary cruelty out of the process, you are still left with at least a little cruelty. Where do you draw the line?

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Yes, because cheese. Lactose intolerance be damned

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