101 points

Anon learns about Material Conditions.

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How come none of these nutcases ever go shoot a billionaire or two instead of random Innocents?

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“Guy with shit circumstances decides to buy a gun and decides to go somewhere with the gun and decides to shoot undeserving people with the gun, it’s society’s fault”

Way to blame the victim anon. No, this was his decision. I know folks who have life shitting all over them and it doesn’t make them want to kill children and families.

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It’s both. Even terrible people with something to lose are less likely to throw it all away.

If this guy makes $35k a year at dollar general, he probably doesn’t go on a murder spree.

But you could also just not be an asshole. Why go after random people instead of someone who actually helps cause the bullshit?

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You’re right, we should be targeting the bourgeois, aristocrats and ultra rich with our killing sprees. What we need are eco terrorists, not senseless killings.

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Fuck that. We don’t need terrorists at all.

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Both apply. Yes, he ultimately chose to do it. However society shaped and funneled him into that position. It’s not a binary decision between individual and systematic, both can apply. In this case, social systems failed and put a large number of people in a bad situation with an apparent easy way out. Almost all then chose not to go on a killing spree. Unfortunately, “almost all” is “all”. Some will make the bad choice, when put in that position.

As a society, we can’t change individual choices. What we can do however is change the framework those choices are made in. If we aim to put fewer people in that position, then fewer will make the wrong choice, and we will all be safer for it.

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society isnt you or i society is the general way things are and yes society is the cause of shootings. mental health is a direct measure of society.

society fights tooth and nail to have guns be super easy to get.

society also fights tooth and nail to keep (mental) healthcare behind an impossible wall.

so now we are generating mentally ill people that have easy access to guns. multiply that by the internal bias and bigotry you were raised with and many millions of potential offenders. boom you have a shooting every freaking day.

yes the shooter is shitty and should be killed or in jail but society is at fault for the shooting even ever coming close to occuring.

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You only said that some people have a lower threshold.

You guys are groomed in social=bad.

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The US can’t even do cheap healthcare. How the fuck is UBI ever going to happen?

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7 points

By force

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6 points

1,000 billionaires, 1 guillotine. That’s how.

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1 point

They will learn of our peaceful ways

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In comparison to how complicated fixing our healthcare system will be, implementing a UBI will be dead simple. The only thing we need is the political will to do it.

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I agree with UBI fully, but we ain’t got nothing on Mansa Musa

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Mansa Musa was just the king. It’s like saying that everyone in America is rich because Jeff Bezos is rich.

Also, Mansa Musa’s wealth has been exaggerated a lot and the crashing economies while on pilgrimage thing is probably bunk.

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Yup, I’m going to trust your source-less comment over my University professors

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Mali only had an estimated 400 billion in treasury and it was a hereditary kingdom where only Mansa himself would have benefited directly. The United States treasury distributes 3 trillion across all federal agencies (some SUPPOSED to benefit citizens but y’know).

As for Ubi, there needs to be incentive to tie it to at least having a job or being on qualified unemployment or education. Know too many 18 year olds that would start cashing that just to stay at home and do nothing useful.

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Im honestly tired of this argument.

Ive worked several jobs across my life time and if we paid people room and board to stay the fuck at home the world would be better for it.

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It’s not “universal” if you start tying it to stuff. There are many cases where people cannot work (recessions, disabilities, need to care for family members, etc). The incentive to work would still naturally be there (to get more than “basic” income). Also, everyone wants a purpose, even if you may not see it as useful; it is a human need.

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Why can’t someone cash in on UBI and do nothing? No one chose to be born here, to be alive, I am perfectly happy working and paying taxes to help people do nothing if that’s what they want. Enough people want to do useful things that society is perfectly able to accommodate a good number of people doing nothing. Maybe that is also incentivized by nearly all the work available to a young person being bullshit that is degrading and pays very little.

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You need to get rid of your “work or die” mentality. Not everyone needs to work. Only those who want more than what the UBI gives them should work.

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If people don’t have to worry with the stress of just surviving the month, they’ll want to do more with their life and get more. People will always want a bigger house, nicer car, faster PC, there’ll always be the motivation to find work, and when they have the freedom and ability to achive that, they’ll go do it. It’s one of the ways we can utilise our greedy nature in a positive way.

What UBI will do is make it so the average person isn’t at the mercy of minium wage jobs that will go nowhere, just to not die on the street. An effective slave.

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The US government isn’t trillions in debt and just using money like it’s non existent? News to me

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54 points

Dont glamourize mass murderers.Dont even publish their names, publish the names of the victims.

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We can’t have gun control - guns aren’t the problem - people are.

Oh good - you support the creation of strong social safety nets, and free access to mental health care, right?

You support the creation of strong social safety nets, and free access to mental health care, right?

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