I’m still on Windows 10. Are the complaints people have over windows 11 overblown or valid?
Tried it for the first time today and I hated it. Everything I organized for the start menu is gone and they replaced it with a stupid apps menu. It definitely runs sluggishly.
i mean users are free to use 3rd party start bars to have a windows 7 style start bar. The thing I always find odd is that if you opt for the 3rd party option, your experience with windows is mostly consistent.
One of the biggest features Windows gives users is the ability to modify stuff and people choose not to use it. It’s like anyone who outright chooses to use IE/Spartan/Edge and complain about it instead of just switching to a 3rd party option.
You are free to do that, but if you do they are also free to break your computer with mandatory updates 😂
I am too. Well, dual-booting. My PC doesn’t have TPM and I’m not upgrading my hardware just to accommodate Microsoft’s nonsense so I’ll just keep running 10 until the wheels fall off.
buttons in taskbar (for app) grouped and can’t be ungrouped, killing my workflow. piece of garbage…
Honestly, a bit of both. It probably gets more hate than it deserves but there’s a lot of pointless change just for the sake of changing things. It’s better than Win10 on a Surface, touch screen and pen support have improved. But beyond that, I don’t really see a reason to jump to it until they force the issue by ending support for 10.
Honestly, I ended up with 11 after years on 10, and I don’t find it nearly as horrible as everyone makes it out to be. It took some tweaking and a few tricks, but it’s fine and useable for what I do. I certainly spent less time futzing with Win 11 to run games than I ever did Linux.
That said, I haven’t been able to use windows for serious work/development since the 90’s… i only really boot up windows for gaming, so ymmv. For the most part that all works out of the box. For dev/ops work I’m a Linux or (since my work doesn’t allow Linux anymore) MacOS guy, which is much better workflow and capability-wise than Windows. IMHO.
Some valid, a lot overblown. Take everything with a grain of salt.
A lot of people on Lemmy revere Linux to the point that Windows anything is a dirty word, so negative qualities are amplified quite substantially in discussions here.
I use Windows 11 daily on my personal laptop. As (what I am assuming to be) a typical end user, I will say I don’t hate or love it any more than Windows 10. But I’ve never been one to nitpick over small details as much as others seem to.
I’m generally unfazed by start menu changes because I access the majority of my apps by just typing the name into the start menu. The dedicated search button in Windows 10 is superfluous for that reason, so I never used it and don’t miss it. Rounded corners vs straight corners in the UI is essentially meaningless. And while Windows 11 currently does not allow you to reposition the taskbar to other sides of the screen, Windows 10 doesn’t allow the taskbar and start menu to be centered, so pick your poison.
I think the right click context menu is improved in Windows 11 over 10.
I use it every day for work, used 10 before that. Overall fine, similar to 10. Some things were annoying after the switch, but some things are also better. It also helped that I held out for a few months, as the people switching first had a lot of initial problems with the new laptops and 11.
I use Win11 on my gaming rig and on my work pc by choice.
Gaming Rig (Ryzen 7 7800X3D):
Desktop environment is a slight downgrade but they are slowly reworking the whole UI. Though I really enjoy to customize my environment to my liking and probably bump more into edge cases than the average joe.
MS becomes more pushy with their subscription models but those can be ignored.
Windows Updates generally work well.
Office Rig (HP Elitebook i5 8th gen):
My laptop needed an upgrade from 8 to 16gb to run more smoothly. Same UI issues but it’s workable.
I like the new explorer though.
On my NAS/home server I use Debian 11 and am pretty happy so far.
More ram will probably not help your laptop out with performance unless your running ram intensive programs if I were you consider upgrading your boot drive if things are running slow a 8 year old ssd/hdd probably isn’t doing so good
Also if you use a hdd you could defrag it
Problem is multiple programs + web browser sucking ram.
Wirh 8GB I was continuesly red lining 95% utilization.
VoIP App, multiple tabs and windows of Chrome/Firefox/Edge (what the application is optimized for), Outlook, Teams, Spotify (to stay sane) and misc. other programs quickly suck up 8gb.
Windows often uses 8GB at idle for me with a single browser window open due to how much background BS it runs that is entirely irrelevant to anything I use the PC for. I upgraded to 32GB, then just finally decided to switch to Linux for good because it uses around 4-5GB with 10+ programs open (and most of that is Steam and Discord being inefficient).
Was forced to switch to 11 on my work laptop so now I’m working on transitioning to Linux for work. In 11 you have to fight the os more than ever to get the experience you want. I used a program to change Explorer to be similar to how it was on 10, and when I switched back to the default one it’s very noticeably slower than custom. It’s especially noticeable when sharing screen in teams, it feels very slow and laggy, crashes frequently.
The big one that really bothers me is that soooo many perfectly good computers cannot run it. Their hardware restrictions are absurd. My desktop has an i9-9820X, which was released at the end of 2018, and I’m not able to upgrade. I have 4 computers that all run great and run Windows and only one of them is able to upgrade. Windows 11 will likely result in a lot of e-waste (and a lot of people switching to Linux, myself included).
I don’t really care too much about the other differences, Windows 11 is just like Windows 10 except they moved a bunch of stuff around. It could have all just been an update to 10.
Win11 is basically just UI lift to Win10, the core OS is exactly same.
They dropped lot of support (ie11, classic bios, non-tpm2.0, 32-bit), which most are IMO just good because it forces adoption. I think those are overblown, people just hate the UI changes.
Been using it since the launch, and the issues have mainly been similar to just win 10 build upgrade issues.
“explorer randomly talking focus” nuff said
or, you know, just switch to linux. several distros are basically just as usable out of box as anything microsoft has released.
I’ve tried and gaming is a lot better than it was, but I still prefer Windows in that department though I do stick with SteamOS for the Steam Deck and haven’t bothered running Windows on it.
yeah I’m mid transition myself - probably switch for good when win10 goes EoL. I tried win11 and hate it.
i run dual-boot on my PC, these days i’m only switching over to windows for gaming since nvidia GPUs don’t get a lot of support on the linux side nvidia doesn’t go out of there way to support linux as much as AMD does
What kind of support are you missing? I run Linux exclusively with an Nvidia card and see regular driver updates (not as frequently as the kernel, for example, but still).
nvidia GPUs don’t get a lot of support on the linux side.
First time I’m hearing about this. What do you mean? You get regular, automatic driver updates and they work… what is missing?
Older drivers for older cards are also available, although this may depend on the distribution rather than Nvidia.
I’ve done something different. I just have two computers. One for just playing games (windows), and one for everything else (Mac).
yeah. I have a tiny-pc (whatever the ultra sff is called now) that will run w10 forever - supported or not, for a specific use-case, but the desktop i’m trying to transition to will be linux. already moved my laptop to linux (both mint because it’s easy). have a different laptop that was decent 10 years ago that I use as a testbench to try out other, non-mint distros.
long term i’ll move to 3x computers but daily really only use two.
If only SteamOS was made generally available.
And I honestly prefer the non-terminal solutions that are generally in Windows.
Users here generally seem to forget that
1: Not all users are power users
2: Professional software is generally not developed for Linux but either Windows or Mac. Linux is an afterthought
3: Not all programs run as you’d need it to. Wine and Proton can work for single use but I don’t see daily activity going very well with it.
For downvoters on point 3 saying they do it:
I tried the EA launcher with Proton on the SteamDeck. It’s a hacky solution and in general a not supported environment. Good luck getting help from EA if something goes wrong.
This also applies to general work environments: HPE (server brand of HP) for example denies support if it sees a non-HPE product that may interfere with your support case. They ask you to remove it and then send another support file.
2: Professional software is generally not developed for Linux but either Windows or Mac. Linux is an afterthought
Really depends. E.g. Houdini, Blender and Nuke are Linux-first as Linux took over IRIX’s market share, and generally that of Unix workstations.
All three predate Windows 95, the whole PC and Windows platform back then was considered cheap toys for accounting and management, not serious computing.
I am starting to make the effort in switching but honestly, it’s not going as easily as I hoped… I got my old Surface Go running fully on Mint now and I’ve got some frustrations trying to make it work the way I want. I’m sure I’ll get there, but what seemed like a fun project has become frustrating.
Next I plan on setting up dual booting on my gaming setup, which I suspect should be less frustrating than trying to run Linux on Microsoft hardware. If that goes smoothly I’ll wipe Windows on the machine and switch fully to Mint there.
Only thing I don’t think I can let go of Windows on is my work laptop. I use too much MS office suite stuff for work and have to move documents between people all the time. I already tried using Libre Office at work a few years back already and it just didn’t work out, especially Power Point / Impress.
Overall, yeah, I think we should all start making a move off Windows when I see the state of things, it’s just… not that easy for everyone.
yes, but the Enterprise level license usually lasts longer than the individual license does. Enterprise level you’re basically stuck in that ecosystem, you’ve got tools written for it. I remember when IE6 was the latest hotness and then everyone struggled to get away from it for years and years but integral revenue generating tools relied on it.
Actually I’d prefer a petition for Microsoft to drop Windows support entirely.
OS-as-a-service needs to be made illegal, ffs
It makes some sense for business & enterprise stuff, but not for household/consumer computers & devices. That’s just rent-seeking and forced obsolescence. There is no good reason a home computer from the past fifteen years should have security patches withheld because the manufacturers want people to throw them away and buy and brand new ones.
I kind of get it, but I feel like even in a b2b context you shouldn’t be allowed to charge a subscription for something as low level as the OS.
Now if Microsoft wants to offer paid support subscriptions for business customers (they might already do, I didn’t look) that I would be fine with.
Of course, businesses would just pivot in the other direction and speed up the release cycle to every year or two, making smaller and smaller improvements. No system will be perfect. I just hope we get to a better solution than “constant vigilance” eventually, whatever it looks like.
Could you imagine having to pay apple a monthly fee just because you use iOS on their phone?
Or pay Google every month to use android?
Except that you can keep upgrading windows or just install linux and be up to date with the security patches for like 10+ years, your phone runs out of support in like 5-6 years in the best case and then good luck using these banking apps securely.
I would be fine if windows required you to purchase a new OS every 5-6 years. Paying monthly/yearly is bull shit though.
Apple is still releasing security updates for the iPhone 6s… that’s over 8 years of phone updates. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222
So what do you propose? You buy windows xp and you deserve free maintenance updates while windows 55 is out?
Me when I demand corporations pay people fairly for their work 🤬 Me when I demand free labour in 2045 because I paid 100€ in 2015 😗
Do you understand what software as a service is?
Not wanting software as a service is also not proposing anything like your strawman.
Not wanting software as a service while asking for updates longer than 10 years 🤭
Honestly, please explain.
I know SaaS, but I don’t see how that is relevant to Windows 10 and its maintenance. The OS works without requiring an Internet connection, so it’s not relying on cloud computing for much of its functionality.
Ending support for an OS is also totally normal, many FOSS OSes do it too. Whether you paid for it initially or not honestly makes little difference, at the end of the day someone else has to expend their own time to fix something for you - some might do so for free, while others want to be paid.
