Only 17% of Arab American voters say they will vote for Biden in 2024, according to a new poll.
Didn’t Trump literally already say he was bringing back the Muslim ban and making it worse? But ok, I guess vote for him anyway. Most republican voters vote against their own interests all the time so they’ll fit right in until they’re deported.
They’ll probably just not bother voting for either. Why waste time doing so if you’ll get screwed regardless?
Why waste time doing so if you’ll get screwed regardless?
So the solution to this is to sit home knowing full well that benefits the man who is literally campaigning on the promise to screw you harder?
You argue that because you see a difference between them, but for marginalized peoples they are the same.
If Arabs don’t vote for Joe or stay home pouting on the couch on election day, the only thing they’ll accomplish is to enable the tragic national nightmare of a second trump misadministration and a whole new tsunami of violent, stochastic terrorism-driven Islamophobia that has already cost innocent Muslim Americans their lives
fuck this. This is literally what people said during Trump’s first election. Guess what? Making things worse doesn’t magically make things better.
Until first past the post is done away with your 3rd candidate vote is an awful idea.
It’s too bad Americans can only choose between senile old people or criminals to be president
As long as they don’t vote in the primaries that will continue to be a problem.
Primaries are controlled by the parties. If they see a candidate they really don’t like *COUGH*Bernie*COUGH*Sanders*COUGH* then they’ll pull out all the stops to prevent that candidate from winning. People like to think Trump wasn’t wanted by the republican party, but his policies aligned 100% with theirs. Similarly, “hope and change” Obama was allowed to win because he was willing to play ball and went back on most or all of his promises immediately after getting elected.
Political parties also legally don’t even have to respect the results of those primaries since they are private organizations.
Good thing (for genocide Joe’s ego) the DNC is refusing to hold primaries at all then.
The solution to this is so simple - Biden gets out of the way for literally any other Dem to run and sweep the election. The entrenched power structure won’t have it though.
So, don’t blame Muslim Americans, progressives, or anyone else for Biden’s failure to lead. This is on him and the DNC who backs him.
I really, REALLY hate this line of thinking. I mean with the burning passion of a thousand suns.
Biden is in an unenviable position. Hamas started this war by launching an unprovoked attack knowing full well they couldn’t handle the crackback. Israel has taken their retaliation way too far, well beyond the point of being defensible. They’ve bombed refugee camps and hospitals and when asked about the civillian casualties, basically said “sucks to be them”. What they are doing now is committing the exact genocide that they themselves have been worried about for decades if not centuries now. Biden made a mistake by continuing to stand by Israel even after they admit to and just shrug off the atrocities they commit on the daily, but there was never a position where Biden could pick a side (or even choose to remain neutral) without alienating an entire community of people.
And in almost any other situation, I may agree with them in their desire to either vote for another candidate or just sit home. But there are literally only three options here: Hold your nose and vote for Biden, vote for Trump in protest of Biden, or sit home and not vote at all, which is a de facto vote for Trump. In the immortal words of Rush, “If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.” And that choice benefits Trump.
No matter how pissed off you are at Biden right now, do you think it would be any better under Trump? Did the Trump administration give you any indication that Trump is going to suddenly be sympathetic to an entire race of people that he to this day continues to use racial slurs to describe?
Your choices are (a) Biden, or (b) someone exponentially worse than Biden. That’s it. This is the reality of the situation. If you do not choose (a), you’re choosing (b). If you don’t choose at all, you’ll be given (b) by default. Your only realistic option is to choose (a). Doing anything else because you disagree with the path Biden chose to take will do nothing but make the situation worse. There is no other option. Voting against Biden or choosing to stay home in protest is a textbook example of cutting off your own nose to spite your face. I stopped supporting Israel in any of this the minute they thought bombing a hospital and writing off hundreds of patients as expendable collateral damage was in some way acceptable, but no matter how much I disagree with Biden’s policies, I also know that the only other option available is much, much worse.
Be careful what you wish for, guys. You might get it.
That’s a lot of words to say “at least he’s not Trump!!” Sure would be nice if democrats had a strategy other than that. You know, like actually trying to improve things. What incentive do democrats have to improve things when your vote is guaranteed because not voting for democrats “is a vote for fascism”? I mean, here is Biden, pledging EVEN MORE billions of dollars to Israel as they ramp up their ethnic cleansing efforts. Democrats being fascists with a kinder image isn’t good enough.
It sucks to vote for the least of two evils. But not voting at all is effectively half a vote for the worst of the two. Yeah, it feels like youre resisting if you refuse to play when there’s only a two party system. Not gonna accept only having a choice between two crappy people and their parties! Hold out by not voting! Or by voting for someone who has NO chance ? Well great, then you up your chances of next having no choice at all – with just one insane party and its dictator when they make it permanent. Not acting makes you responsible for installing Emperor Trump. Dint kid yourself.
Except voting for democrats is not acting when the end result is largely the same. There needs to be some way to send the message that we want better. The system is designed to bury that message except for rich donors.
It’ll have to be good enough for the next 4 years. When the choice is no longer incumbent vs actual monsters…
Pounding fists on the table saying it’s unacceptable is just little kid energy; like breaking your own toys cuz you’re mad.
I don’t necessarily disagree, but the other side of that coin is that every election is painted this way in America.
Not saying it isn’t true for Trump, but supposing he loses in 24, you don’t think the GOP will stay sufficiently shitty that in 28 they send him up again, or a younger old white guy who’s still sufficiently horrible?
It’s a very very calculated part of the two party system that the Other Guy is offensive enough to those on the fringes of the tent to shame, scare, or guilt them into voting for “their” guy.
Again, I don’t disagree with you, especially in this case, but it’s exactly how the parties are designed to work to perpetuate the illusion of choice. If the Democrats can just point to Trump to convince progressives to keep voting for their guy, when or why would they ever shift their platform in a direction to court more progressive voters?
Biden pledging additional billions of dollars to Israel while they’re actively committing genocide is being an actual monster. It’s actual monsters vs actual monsters here. If your only strategy is “always vote for us 100% of the time or the fascists will win” while also committing acts of fascism, then clearly the only outcome can be fascism. Even a little kid can see that, but you’re a super smart adult who is content with fascism because supposedly to accept genocide is the mature thing to do.
You know there are 3 branches of government right? It just so happens that the Senate in the legislative branch is controlled by obstructionist Republicans.
Umm. I know the point you are trying to make, but making a factual error as part of your argument really undermines the statement. The US senate is currently controlled by Democrats. It’s a slim majority, but it is a Dem majority.
The HOUSE is controlled by Republicans. Which means the American Bicameral CONGRESS is split between the Democratic senate and Republican House. It doesn’t change your point, and I am not trying to be pedantic, it just makes you sound ill informed and undermines your point.
What does that have to do with Biden’s (read: BIDEN’S (in case you missed it: BIDEN’S)) proposal to immensely increase funding to Israel while they’re carrying out genocide? If there’s one thing I’d like republicans to obstruct, it’d be this. Instead, they’re on the same page. So much for democrats not being the same, huh?
Biden made a mistake by continuing to stand by Israel even after they admit to and just shrug off the atrocities they commit on the daily, but there was never a position where Biden could pick a side (or even choose to remain neutral) without alienating an entire community of people.
In the immortal words of Rush, “If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.”
Sounds like your own quote is contradicting your own point there, chief.
But yeah, you’re sadly in a ‘lesser of two evils’ situation. American foreign policy teaches that this usually gets fixed by assassinating one of the evils and waiting for the power vacuum to be filled by an even lesser evil - repeat until satisfied with the result. I suggest you guys get together and put that second amendment to work.
That’s the reality of the two party system. They don’t matter, because what are they ultimately gonna do, vote for the other guy?
Even if they do, the Palestinian diaspora has almost no presence in “swing states” in the US.
