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Garza called law enforcement, who detained him and placed him in solitary confinement for three days at the Darrell B. Hester Juvenile Detention Center in Brownsville.

Why the fuck does a juvenile detention center even have solitary confinement… America is so fucked up…

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I work in with traumatized teens. There are times where they need to be isolated from their peers, but I agree that solitary is not therapeutic. Research and experience easily demonstrate that.

The reality is, though, that these systems are so underfunded and understaffed that these detrimental tactics are the only viable option.

I’m not defending the practice. I would never work in a system that uses solitary confinement with adolescents, but I have the luxury of choice.

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As a guy with childhood trauma, abandonment issues, depression, and many other mental challenges, I appreciate the work you do. I feel like what I went through is small potatoes compared to being arrested and put in the hole for 3 whole days as a kid. I really feel for this little guy and hope that he gets through this ok.

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That cunt sounds like she has a massive ego

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6 points

Gotta start them young, you know. Freedom (to abuse basic human rights) yeah, Freedom!

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“When the police officer had his body cam off, they were yelling and telling me, ‘We’re gonna go to the full extent. We’re gonna put you in a lockbox,’” Timothy said. “Then, when the body cam was finally on, they were so nice.”

How are we still letting cops just turn off body cams? It defeats the entire fucking purpose.

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The shouldn’t be able to ever turn them off while they are working and if they do. Immediate suspension, second time formal inquiry, 3rd time he’s out in his ass.

I feel like you guys can’t even control your own police

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40 points

I feel like you guys can’t even control your own police

Um. No. We absolutely cannot

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7 points

You can tell…by the way that it is.

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Fwiw the biggest issue with bodycams is that they’re expensive as hell. Milwaukee wanted to get better equipped with them a few years back and nobody wanted to pay. People want to defund police but it throws so much off. Even when they want to defund, Republicans refuse to push legislation to get more Crisis workers who can help and fund mental health care.

Most voters barely want to fund schools, let alone the police and poor/addicted/troubled lol.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/communities/west/news/wauwatosa/2021/04/12/cost-body-cameras-setback-milwaukee-area-departments/6966971002/

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12 points

The cost of a body cam doesn’t have anything to do with policies on whether or not they can be turned off.

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11 points

Privacy. Can’t go to the bathroom. They use it and abuse it.

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31 points

The ability to turn the cam off while you shit could easily have come with a rule that states that if you turn your cam off while doing cop stuff you’re fired, but it didnt. Privacy in the bathroom is the excuse, not the reason. The reason is that cameras exonerate the innocent and impugn the guilty without regard to status or favor, and cops want to continue to break the law and hurt people who haven’t broken the law. They’re a street gang. There is no cop who enforces the law without fear or favor, there are only criminals and cops that ignore crime committed by people they like.

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6 points

The ability to turn the cam off while you shit could easily have come with a rule that states that if you turn your cam off while doing cop stuff you’re fired, but it didnt.

Easy. If you turn off your cam, you’re not a cop anymore, you lose your legal powers.

Take a shit while turning off your cam? No problem, you don’t need to be a cop for that.

Shoot someone after “accidentally” turning your cam off? You just killed someone likely while trespassing with no qualified immunity. Enjoy prison.

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Too bad. Make it part of what you sign up for when you become a cop. “You wanna be a cop? Well a few people may end up seeing you pee, just so you know that.”

There are people who have to piss into cups in front of people constantly. Surely that’s not an onerous demand to ensure the integrity of all bodycam footage. Who would ever see the raw uncut (lol) footage anyway? A jury maybe? in which case, blur out the dong. Easy.

I don’t know… I’m just not convinced by the “privacy” angle.

Edit: I guess other people’s privacy could be a concern. Though I bet AI is good enough that, if we really wanted to be honest about it (lol), we could figure out a way to filter other people out completely in a way that can be verified etc. etc. But that’ll never happen.

They don’t work for us anymore; they’re not “public servants.” They’re a (militarized) force that serves the interests of capital. They don’t defend people, they defend private property. That’s where the root of the problem lies. These people aren’t becoming cops to make the neighborhood they live in a safer place, most of the time they don’t even live in the neighborhood they serve. No, these people become cops because it lets them hurt people.

They’re just a gang of thugs that happens to serve the interests of those with the most money and power.

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I don’t know. I hear the anger and I think there are some bad cops. But I think they are good ones out there. And they are people too. I can’t punish someone’s rights because of some assholes.

I hear what you are saying and there should be a way to handle it. I’m just not convinced that running them full time is the solution. Maybe limiting the turning off and if it’s done too many times in a row there is lockout and automatic reviews.

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“When the police officer had his body cam off, they were yelling and telling me, ‘We’re gonna go to the full extent. We’re gonna put you in a lockbox,’” Timothy said. “Then, when the body cam was finally on, they were so nice.”

No shirt ! Wtf with a god damn kid the cop turned off his body cam!

Grrrrrrrrrr

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8 points

I have always wondered since the body cams came out and even the dash cams over why is it even legal for an officer to turn off the cams. Why would they even have the ability to turn them off. The cams were proclaimed to be for the civilians safety and to keep officers in check and professional.

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4 points

If I had it my way…

Any cop who turned off their body camera would be fired immediately

This is the only union I’m against, police unions; I’d fire them and have them arrested for obstruction of justice

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40 points

While true, this started with an insane school administrator.

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49 points

fuck em both but the admin didn’t put the kid in jail

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19 points

Oh, you know damn well she put the cops up to it.

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3 points

This is why I always tell people who say “reporting the _____ incident to the police isn’t going to get anyone hurt, it’s just going to get them help” that they are idiots. You have no way of knowing what the police are going to do in any situation. I don’t care if there’s a 99% chance of it going right (it’s much lower in reality). That isn’t a chance worth taking for something that can absolutely be resolved without police.

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But instead of suspension, Garza summoned a police officer to arrest Timothy at school. In a video that Rincon shared with the Observer, Timothy puts his arms up on a wooden shelf and waits to be handcuffed as directed by a police officer.

These are adults who feel threatened by an eleven-year-old child, because he asked some questions. The entire country should be ridiculing them until they’re too embarrassed to leave their homes.

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33 points

No no no no she was annoyed and felt disrespected because he asked questions. She’s a cunt and I hope the rest of her life is long and miserable.

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17 points

She’s a cunt and I hope the rest of her life is long and miserable.

Careful now, she 'll send SWAT after you! 😂

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8 points

Oh fuck your right!

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7 points

questioning authority is the biggest no no for conservative babies

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How big of a fucking dick do you have to be to make lies about an 11 year old and fuck up his future?!

His ordeal began five days later. In the late morning of September 8, Timothy was pulled out of music class and ushered into a room where he found Garza, Assistant Principal Michelle Saucedo, a district police officer, and a counselor sent from the district’s central administrative office. He was told another student had just reported that Timothy said he was planning to kill the principal. Rincon said she was called and rushed to the school but was not allowed to be in the room while Timothy was being questioned. 

“When the police officer had his body cam off, they were yelling and telling me, ‘We’re gonna go to the full extent.  We’re gonna put you in a lockbox,’” Timothy said. “Then, when the body cam was finally on, they were so nice.”

Timothy told me he had explained to the school and district officials that the accusations were not true, that the only conversation he had that morning was with two other boys about wearing his sweater over his uniform. 

Just read the whole article. It’s fucking astonishing how big of an ass these people are. Not only is the principal fucking ill but also the superintendent, principal, assistant principal, district counselor, and police officers.

I hope Timothy continues to speak up and reaches his goals to become an oncologist. I hope these fuckers learn from their mistakes and if not, hope they rot. Thanks Texas Observer for writing about this story.

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More likely little Timmy will have lifelong cptsd and develop addiction issues throughout puberty to cope. After which the cops can bust him again and go “See? We told you so!”.

ACAB. No exceptions, ever, anywhere.

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21 points

Once again perpetuating the school-to-prison pipeline that so many people of color get shunted down.

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40 points

If police turn their bodycams off then that should automatically disqualify their testimony and cause a major fine (which they would need to pay off personally)

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