Your Windows 10 PC will soon be ‘junk’ - users told to resist Microsoft deadline::If you’re still using Windows 10 and don’t want to upgrade to Windows 11 any time soon you might want to sign a new online petition

182 points

Or just try linux. It’s pretty great

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I love Linux. I have it installed on 3 machines, have been using it for over 3 years, and would install it right away if I ever got a new computer.

A couple weeks ago, I was feeling pretty exhausted and just wanted to play a game thru Proton on my laptop. I got it running, but it was unplayable because it was using my integrated GPU instead of my discrete one. I spent the night switching compositors, cables, and drivers, but none of it fixed the issue.

The next day, feeling exhausted from fruitless debugging, I tried to launch another game via Proton that I knew had worked in the past, but it crashed on launch. I spent the whole day going thru the same steps I did the day before, but also consulting ProtonDB and trying software that would force usage of the dgpu.

The next day, I installed Windows 10 to an external hard drive and spent the day debloating it. Drivers got installed automatically, I downloaded both games on Steam, and they just worked. So I guess I now dual-boot Windows just for the games that don’t work thru Proton. Loading game worlds and booting up take ~75% longer, but that’s to be expected because it’s running on a 4 year old HDD connected over a USB cable.

As mentioned earlier, I love Linux a lot, and if all games had native binaries or Proton worked 100% I’d format that god-forsaken hard drive. But when real life has got me down, I don’t need Linux to get me down further. I don’t like Windows, and I feel incredibly dirty whenever I press F7 on boot to get to Windows. But when my choices are “spend 8 hours on fruitless quest to get >2fps” and “press play button”, I’m going to take the path of least resistance.

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21 points

That’s the thing. I love to use Linux for work, but when I don’t want to tinker it sometimes sucks for gaming.

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9 points

Yep. And then there’s gamepass. I vastly vastly prefer working and using Linux day to day, but games, man. Man’s gotta be able to game after a long day at work and I wasted literally a week of after work hours trying and failing to get Starfield to run on Proton.

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8 points

iGPU+dGPU, esp with Nvidia is pretty bad on Linux. It’s pretty flawless these days if you’re using only one vendor and it isn’t Nvidia.

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Don’t know what you are talking about. I use an Nvidia GPU with a Wayland compositor/Window manager (Hyprland to be exact) and I’ve never experienced any issues whatsoever.

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3 points

I would probably rather get a gaming console for the TV to game.

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12 points

Why not a steam deck?

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6 points

Tbf that really depends on the kind of games you like playing.

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2 points

What game was it?

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The first game mentioned was Bille Bust Up. I liked the demo that was off of Steam (and it ran fine using the proton-call command), so I subscribed to the developer’s Patreon (which gives a Steam key) and it wouldn’t use my dgpu.

The second game was A Hat in Time.

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24 points

I work in a linux shop.

You couldn’t pay me to use Windows for development, sysadmin, backend services, etc.

But on the desktop? Hell no. We maintain a modern debian desktop environment for our users, and it’s a pain in the ass. Mediocre UX, mediocre integration of mixed-bag third-party apps, and too many workarounds and gotchas you need to Just Know About. I just don’t have the energy.

I use windows at home, and for my underlying work environment - and I just SSH into linux boxes for the actual tappy-tappy stuff.

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Mediocre UX, mediocre integration of mixed-bag third-party apps, and too many workarounds and gotchas you need to Just Know About.

You’re talking about my Windows 10 experience? The european, less spying/advertising version, mind you.

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If only there was an OS with an excellent graphical user interface and a direct UNIX pedigree, where you can drop into a full zsh and POSIX user land directly after install at the touch of a button.

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34 points

If there’s one thing that both windows and Linux users agree on, it’s how weird and annoying macs are.

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23 points

So… today?

I’m a Linux user. Been one for a long time.

When I’m doing dev-work, shelling into remote VMs and stuff yeah I have to get nitty-gritty with the command-line.

But on my regular daily-driver OS? I only use the terminal because I want to; or sometimes I think it’s more efficient. But I haven’t absolutely needed to for a long time now.

Linux GUI has really come a long way. It’s not at MacOS level (yet), but it’s very functional and aesthetic. Give it a try.

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If you haven’t checked out linux in 5+ years, I recommend that you check out something user-friendly like Mint. No commands needed!

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Hundreds of commands is just not true with many distros. Everything is gui based these days. The command line is worth getting familiar with, but it’s not necessary.

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9 points

The time is now then!

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154 points

I mean, it won’t let me. Windows Update inists my PC doesn’t meet the minimum spec, and I’m not inclined to argue with it.

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44 points

#GleefulCompliance

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You can use Rufus to install windows 11 and bypass the requirements. It does everything for you – downloads the latest win 11 service pack, removes the blocking requirements, and you can even tell it to automatically disable all of the telemetry and phoning home. You’ll still need a license key when you install, or run it on a machine that was running a valid win 10 install previously. But I’m running win 11 on an 8 year old PC with zero issues.

Here is a good guide that explains in detail.

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46 points

True, or I could just not.

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I would like to point out that this is exactly the same difficulty of just installing linux, without freeing you from microserfdom.

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7 points

The problem for me is that I basically only use my PC for gaming and YouTube.

I know SOME games work, but I don’t want to add to the list of games I can’t play because they’re console/windows only. :/

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Comparing the level of effort to run windows vs Linux is a whole other thing I’m definitely not getting into. I use Linux for work and run it on two machines at home, but I also use my Windows box for games. You can use and enjoy both, it doesn’t have to be a religious war.

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Mine doesn’t, either. Go go gadget 12 year old processor! Who knew being a cheapskate could be so beneficial?

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Just follow this guide and all of your problems will be gone

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3 points

But refusing to upgrade me to 11 is an anti-problem…

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1 point

Is it the UEFI security thing?

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11 points

TPM. Probably switched off in the BIOS or something.

Don’t care, don’t like what I’ve seen of 11, happy to wait until I’m forced to change.

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146 points

Nah fuck you, I’m staying with 10 as long as I can, then I’m switching to linux

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48 points

My PC doesn’t hit the requirements for windows 11. Yet it kept asking me to update. Been running Ubuntu ever since

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4 points

Same here, but I moved to Arch because I wanted the latest drivers, at the beggining with GNOME, but then moved to KDE to get the newest Wayland stuff related to Gaming.

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1 point

How difficult would you say is getting in to arch?

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6 points

Try it on an external drive. I did that a couple years ago just to fool around and see if I liked it, within a week it was my main OS and I’ve barely used Windows since.

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Hahaha, no you’re not

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46 points

I just made this exact switch a few months ago, so, yeah, it happens.

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25 points

And I did it 18 months ago!

(Spoiler: it turned out fine)

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4 points

And I’m halfway there, laptop on mint, pc still on windox.

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I’ve been using linux on my secondary machine for a couple of years now and I don’t really feel the need to use Windows anymore.
all of my software just works and my workflow is cross-platform (I don’t really care about which os I’m using, i can get things done regardless); but as a software developer I’d much rather use linux than spend my time managing like 6 virtual linux/unix-like environments on windows. (wsl, msys2, etc)
All of the games I care about actually work slightly better on linux than on windows. (and a single click away from installing and launching from steam); also Steam Big Picture mode and gamepad support (dualshock 4) is much better on linux than on Windows 10, on windows some features only work over Bluetooth. i use arch btw

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8 points

I made the switch to Linux Host OS 5 years ago and haven’t looked back. Plus the fact that Cyberpunk 2077 works with an RTX card and wireless game controller out of the box is enough to keep me interested for now.

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23 points

Tf do you know about anybody, especially on a FOSS-leaning network?

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-27 points

i know that basically everyone on here is a pussy

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18 points

Yes I am

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3 points

I made the switch to linux when Win7 died, cause Win10 is a giant PoS and I refused to ugrade to it, lol.

Hopped a few Distros before settling on Nobara, which has given me the best “It just works” gaming experience.

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Fun fact: Linux is so customizable that you can run a modern GUI and software on 46mb of ram and a CPU from 1989. Don’t let Microshit tell you to throw out your old PC, it’s truly surprising what’s possible.

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41 points

Yeah but can it run signed drm in a way that the owner of the computer can’t read the keys? Checkmate atheists.

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15 points

I’ve switch my home computers to Linux. Unfortunately, at work, I have to maintain a Windows environment…

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3 points

Did your job give you a work Laptop? If you personally own it then you could just run Windows in a VM.

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8 points

I do IT support at my company. We are a small business, but we work on many government contracts. I’m personally not experienced enough on Linux to support it at a businesses level. Part of working on government contracts is that we have to be CMMC certified in the relatively near future, probably first or second quarter next year. I’d love to get off of Windows, but like I mentioned I don’t have the knowledge to get us there, and we’re pretty entrenched in Windows until at least after the audit. Maybe someday, but the Microsoft m365 business GCC High is built with that specific certification in mind. It would require changing everything about our business to switch, and I don’t care enough about the company to go through that.

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4 points

But can I be fucked waiting 5 minutes for a VM to boot every time I need to use a Windows-only tool?

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-26 points

So customizable that it can’t even be run on many devices.

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17 points

Linux runs on way more devices than Windows, what are you talking about?

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-1 points

Well not the ones I tried. Maybe I had bad luck.

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85 points

Nah, fuck it, I’m switching to Linux.

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37 points

Yep. Gaming is starting to work on Linux, so I will move to Linux once Microsoft cancels 10.

11 has nothing more than more telemetry and tracking going for it. Gaming is slower, so why would I upgrade for a worse experience.

I play old games still anyways. Linux is more secure than Windows 11 anyways. I won’t upgrade to 11, and turned off TPM in BIOS so 11 won’t automatically install.

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14 points

Can’t wait for anti cheat to work with Linux ☹️

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4 points

This is my biggest hold up. Pretty much any triple A game has anti cheat these days.

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Most modern games can work. But this is a dev issue, not a “wait until it works on linux” issue

EAC, and BattleEye both work on Linux, all the dev has to do is tick a “Proton Compatible” checkbox. Which many publishers/devs, namely Epic, don’t do because they hate linux with a red hot passion for some unknown reason.

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5 points

Gaming is starting to work on Linux

Are you living under a rock ? Gaming is working in linux now.

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What I meant was that it is starting to get simple to play games using Linux now.

I’m not a teenager anymore who enjoys getting games to work by editing settings outside of games like during the Win 3.11 and MS-DOS days.

After decades working IT jobs I don’t want to do work when I’m trying to relax. Linus will have a nearly seamless system when Win 10 reaches EOL.

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I haven’t entirely switched in part due to Rainbow Six Siege not working on Linux. Something about Battleye supports it but Ubi hasn’t done the few simple steps to allow it. So it’s not entirely working yet

Edit: Apparently this is one of the best ways to let Ubisoft know that players want this fixed https://r6fix.ubi.com/projects/RAINBOW6-SIEGE-LIVE/issues/LIVE-49179

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7 points

Next computer of mine will definitely be running Linux. Only thing I’d ever need windows for is some oddly specific software that won’t work on Linux because I’m too dumb to get working properly.

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