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I love that the American people think Biden can wave his hand and there will be a ceasefire. That is about as far from truth as you can get.

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He definitely has at least the means of applying pressure.

Completely freeze military cooperation and weapon deliveries and withdraw the Carriers they send would be possible after talks failed.

But that is not something that makes sense when you want to keep your military base in the middle east functional and regarding the vast amounts of religious people in the US it would put off parts of potential voters next year.

I think the whole aspiration of a ceasefire is just political talk so the US can say they tried their best, in the end they will support Israel in their more than questionable response to Hamas despicable provocation.

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He definitely has at least the means of applying pressure.

How do you know he isn’t? These things don’t necessarily happen in open view.

Completely freeze military cooperation and weapon deliveries and withdraw the Carriers they send would be possible after talks failed.

That’s up to Congress. Unless you want it legal for the President to ask for a favor again.

Edit to add: I especially like the Carrier part. The only thing stopping this from becoming a regional war are those battle groups. You seem to think that inviting Iran to the table would be a good thing.

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He absolutely can do that. If Biden said the bombings need to stop or arms transfers and aid to Isreal will be cut off, they would stop. They’d put up a major stink and spout all sorts of vitriol, but they would stop.

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Again, Congress writes the legislation and the President executes them. Are we so far away from the first impeachment of Trump that people forget how it works?

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The embargo on Cuba was done by executive order. It could be done.

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That’s exactly the lack of power trump intends to change … And many Americans will think that’s a good thing.

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Yes he can actually, or at least he can stop Israeli bombings. There’s precedent for it.

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Name the precedent

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Reagan in the siege of Beirut. He literally stopped the bombing of Western Beirut with a phone call.

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He helped things down this path by disallowing certain talking points. Whether it contributed, or to what degree it contributed… He helped break things.

Now people want to see him fix what he helped break.

He miscalculated in an important way and unless he has a few aces up his sleeve, American democracy may be at stake.

We need Dark Brandon, not what we’re seeing right now.

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Yeah, it was Biden who raped and killed on 10/07. Take that silly shit somewhere else.

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You missed my point, provided a strawman and acted rude/glib to a number of people.

What’s up? You okay?

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Bruh, he could slip while taking the stairs and there will be a ceasefire. If he intentionally waved his hand he could end the occupation.

Maybe you’re betting that this is beyond the president (as it has always been in the US), and that may be true. But if you think that the occupation government can stand by itself without US intervention and aid for every second, then no, that is just not true.

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So to be clear the choice is we tell our ally that they either change their domestic policy or we severe all economic and diplomatic relations?

That’s how you think things work?

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Nope, I thought @Rapidcreek meant that even if the US stops supporting the occupation it would survive, but it turns out he actually meant Biden, as in only Biden being against the occupation.

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But if you think that the occupation government can stand by itself without US intervention and aid for every second, then no, that is just not true.

Congress writes legislation not the President. Nice try, if several others didn’t try the same argument before you.

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Yes, I already mentioned that:

Maybe you’re betting that this is beyond the president (as it has always been in the US)

Still, the president pushing against the occupation would be far from futile.

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The self proclaimed Zionist Biden wont do shit about it. That $11m a day keeps flowing.

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That facist Netanyahu wants Biden out and Trump in. In addition to evidence suggesting possible covert aid given by Israel to the Trump campaign in 2016, Trump even officially endorsed Netanyahu’s own presidential run helping to secure his victory over the Israeli left. In addition to moving the US embassy to Jerusalem to the delight of Netanyahu and over the objections of Palestinians, he recognized Israeli settlements as legal, reversing decades of US policy that these settlements were illegal under international law.

I’m not saying don’t push Biden and democrats to be better on Israeli policy and do what they can to rein Isreal in, which is a difficult dance to do considering how fervently pro Israel most Americans are, but don’t forget how much lower US policy can sink.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/donald-trump-endorses-netanyahu-for-pm/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/27/netanyahu-and-trump-two-desperate-men-exploiting-power-to-save-themselves

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-to-say-israeli-settlements-arent-illegal-11574104691

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What Trump did or Biden is doing, what Trump recognizes or Biden doesn’t is all irrelevant, nothing has changed in regards to Israel and what they are doing. Biden proudly proclaimed himself to be a Zionist, so he proudly proclaims support for the treatment of Palestinians and their genocide. The WH saying there is no red line for Israel makes Biden complicit in everything Netanyahu is doing.

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I would argue that Trump’s four years of increasingly lenient policies on Israel emboldened them to continue and intensify their policies. Maybe without Trump’s interference in the Israeli election, the Israeli left in alliance with Arab Israeli citizens would have returned to power and be able to restart a peace process. No pressure at all from America is certainly a worse situation than not enough pressure, democrats will be much easier to push into opposing Israel, and there’s many pro Palestinian and anti Israeli apartheid state democrats already.

Please find me the statement where Biden proclaims his support for Palestinian genocide, that is quite the logical leap. I see a lot on American frustration that Israel is not allowing aid through, not allowing time for hostage rescue, and America pushing back on the Israeli plans to immediately rush in to the Gaza strip with a full invasion and no end in sight.

You can say things like, “Biden should be doing even more to rein in Israel” without saying things that are untrue like Biden supports the genocide of all Palestinians. I certainly want the Biden administration to be doing even more. If you use too much hyperbole though, you may inadvertently help empower the people who do actually want genocide and make no qualms about it. With the Israeli far right facist government doing everything they can to undermine Democrats like Biden, while constantly pushing for Republicans to return to power, that should tell you that Biden does not fully support what Israel is doing from the Israeli government view. And don’t forget to keep watching who the Israeli government does want in power, Republicans, who today are introducing bills to expel all Palestinians from the United States and other racist facist nonsense.

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