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Because America is fucking awesome and they’re missing out.

We’ve got people of all creeds and none, food from places you heard of in the news, dogs and cats living together, the resurgence of organized labor, Lutherans and Jews and Quakers and Sikhs and Catholics all giving free food to who needs it, black dudes and white dudes cuddling, Hindu women dating French atheist women, legal weed, tiny houses, babies with four doting parents getting into someone’s legacy college, BBQs with vegan options, consensual weird porn, cops that stopped a fascist coup, wind farms, renewable energy cheaper than coal, neighbors sharing backyard garden vegetables, Loki on Disney+, teenagers with silly hair, some guys practicing kendo in the park, cognitive-behavioral therapy, Dungeons & Dragons becoming too cool for Wizards of the Coast to ruin it, secular solstice rituals, agricultural universities creating new breeds of tomato that are extra nutritious and you can just grow them on your apartment balcony, and lots of other great shit going on

And they were too busy watching “Louder with Crowder”.

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That was beautiful and I’d fly that flag.

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(☞゚ヮ゚)☞🇺🇸🇺🇲🇺🇸🇺🇲🇺🇸🇺🇲

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If this isn’t a copypasta, it should be.

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Another Democrat who simply can not grok that the MAGAts have no real argument. There’s no debate. Nothing that is said matters at all.

Years of gish galloping and we’re still trying to talk to them?

Stop. Just stop. They’re gone.

Focus on getting out the vote. Because we’re not going to beat Fox News, they’ve got a lock on the right wing dementia. Stop being surprised that they’re so fucking stupid. That’s on us. Let’s move on.

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The funny thing about this is that the voting block that the facists are running aren’t “conservatives” or “right wing” they’re the huge group of people who prefer to not think and can be easily manipulated through propaganda.

If there was no trillion dollar think tank network blasting their constant hate and bad faith divisive crap these people would stretch all the way across the spectrum according to whichever local person has the most charisma in their circle, like a pastor or local teacher.

Democrats can’t martial a counter force for the cult because there aren’t enough weak minded lazybrains laying around anymore. They’re all in the cult bucket already.

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Democrats can’t martial a counter force for the cult

They don’t want to. It’s too easy to run “Not Trump” as a platform and throw some bones to the fringe groups.

A real platform would include things like Universal Healthcare, Free College, etc…

Instead they like limping along and allowing people like Pelosi to get insanely rich insider trading.

Countering MAGA would’ve been easy…but MAGA is too profitable for the Ds to ditch at this point.

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Biden was pushed into running on forgiving $10k of student loans for everyone and he can’t even manage that.

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Look, at the root of this is that you’re fundamentally dealing with authoritarians. You can define that in two different ways for this context and they’re both correct.

  1. A belief that the state inflicting harm (physical, fiscal, mental, or otherwise) on a person or group of people as a means of accomplishing political goals is acceptable.

  2. A belief that it’s preferable to collect political power into the hands of a ‘chosen few’, whose political will is absolute or nearly so.

This is part of why so many frustrated Bernie people jumped ship to Trump, imo. The real desire here is for a benevolent (to them) dictator who can assume full power, snap their fingers, “fix” everything without having to “deal with the bullshit”, and then everything will be great. For me, a millennial who became politically aware shortly after 9/11, this is a tremendous tone shift. In the oughts, if you suggested that the US was flawed or needed work in any way, you’d immediately get brow beaten for being unpatriotic scum and fiercely corrected that “we are the best country on earth”. Fast forward eight years and it’s “make America great again”, because in eight years we somehow lost all of our glory as the greatest country on earth. In reality, imo, the “greatest country on earth” schlock was half jingoism, half denialism, and almost all before the great recession kicked everyone’s ass. That is, I don’t think the people saying it really believed it as much as they were invoking it as a kind of talisman to protect their ego or idea of the US.

I think it’s beyond denying anymore that the US has some big fucking problems, and that’s partly why the denialism has gone away. Everyone wants to fix it; yes, even the MAGAs imagine a future America where everyone lives happy and healthy, even if their path for getting there is unhinged. I think a lot of MAGAs actually know that these problems aren’t easy to fix, which is why they want a benevolent dictator to step over “all the bullshit”, the problem is that they don’t realize where the difficulty in solving these issues is coming from. They think that a lot of the “bullshit” is the government DMV-izing everything from medicine to education to the military, and making the implementation of solutions impossible, and to be fair, that’s a non-zero factor. What I think they don’t realize is that our government has been functionally captured or hobbled at nearly every turn by wealthy groups or individuals that aren’t really representative of or interested in the general public welfare. They don’t realize that we’ve built a new economy that’s monetized problem management instead of problem solving. That’s why if the government needs to install Raytheon brand cameras in everyone’s toilet and subcontract to Amazon to monitor the feeds (lol, what deficit?), that bill gets passed in ten minutes flat, but anything that actually helps anybody seems to be dead on arrival.

They’ve lost faith in our republic, and rightly so; it’s done precious little to inspire any in the 20 years I’ve been paying attention. So, they’re ready to choose their benevolent dictator in everything but name to come and just fix everything. I think the thing that they really believe about Trump is that he can destroy the republic, because the republic is something that deserves to die (in their view). They’re ready to give Christian Nationalism a chance, to see if the HOA of religiosity really can fix America (spoiler alert). Obviously, it won’t, but by the point that reality dawns on MAGA, the fuckheads purposely trying to erode our democracy for their own personal gain will already be too deeply engrained in the system and in control of the reaper drones to do anything about it.

To be honest, it seems to me like this is a really strong signal for socialists and communists to try and start making some inroads. People are desperate for something different, and the only people that seem to have been successful at getting themselves out there are the fascists. No matter what, though, the fundamental truth here is that everybody knows that the US is in a bad fucking way and anyone claiming otherwise is probably lying and doing it for the wrong reasons. What we’re seeing here is a deeply misguided attempt to reckon with that truth.

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This is well reasoned and thoughtful take. Thank you

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Because the current American right finds its roots not in the USA, but the CSA.

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The article is paywalled and it’s Paul Krugman who isn’t interesting to me anyway but here are my two cents from living in the US for a while now.

This is a really immature, lazy country, especially for those on the right. I’m talking about fully-grown men (at least physically) driving lifted trucks that roll coal and have decals describing the violence they would like to do to liberals stuck to the back.

They’re lazy and stupid, so they never made anything out of their lives. Because they lack the ability to introspect, none of this is their fault. If they can’t get a date because they’re obnoxious, boring people with questionable hygiene, that’s the fault of women. If they’re stuck in a dead end job with no prospects, that because of immigrants, who took the good jobs these morons would never even get an interview for.

I don’t know what the answer is, aside from pushing way more money into education, and hoping the next generation turns out better.

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They’re working really hard on fixing that though. People may have less sex but not no sex, so as long as they get rid of abortion and contraception, it’ll sort itself out.

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