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Good. Do it. They deserve healthcare and reasonable wages.

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Absolutely love Formula 1, been a fan for 30 years, find the whole cutting edge technology and it’s public applications fascinating…

…but yeah lol fuck the circus. Formula 1 has gone from pure greed on the organisation front to unadulterated morally bankrupt and taking-the-piss greed. Saudi, Qatar, Bahrain, Abu Dhabi… yeah nah fuck that noise, a bit of fire under Liberty Media’s chair would do them good.

It runs the risk of fucking the Vegas fanbase off 2005-stylez, but hey it can’t have been too terrible if there’s now three US races on the calendar.

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I agree, this GP need to be a catastrophe, it’s time Stefano get a reality check.

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If you’re worried about leaded fuels (and I agree, you should be) then don’t look up next time a small plane flies over… They’re almost all still using leaded Avgas :\

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Some scientist took to mapping IQ levels geographically and everyone who lives downwind of a small airport has a consistent and directly proportional drop to the average concentration of airborne lead for about 1-4 miles surrounding them. The drops in IQ even perfectly match the wind patterns. It’s insane. If you live really close to a small airport, pack up and move away.

It’s also crazy that they allowed small aircraft to get away with not having to follow the same fuel regulations, it’s really a small difference in cost, our politicians are just too bought out.

Edit: but also, the rest of us likely breathe it in as well, just not as much, and we haven’t figured out exactly how much; ostensibly because it spreads out too much and thus affects everyone more evenly. Yay “energy” corporations and capitalism.

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Formula 1 hasn’t used leaded fuel since the early 90s.

Why fucking lie

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Yea, no. F1 cars don’t use leaded fuel.

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“Zero safe limits” has a lot to do with the scale. While it can’t be good for those in attendance, between the relative infrequency of races, limited number of cars on the field, and general use of batteries even in the ICE leagues (let alone caring about emissions for efficiency purposes), it is probably perfectly fine. Or, more pointedly, all the OTHER emissions are likely a much bigger concern.

Also, the number of safety and societal dangers of F1 go WELL beyond just dangerous fuel. Like, I enjoy watching the occasional race. But holy shit does F1 make pro wrestling look “not THAT bad…”

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Their point has validity on any scale though… I’m generally not a fan of “zero tolerance” in any context, but the context here is ostensibly an intentionally equalized playing field, meaning that a zero tolerance policy on any aspect is inherently fair… So there’s really no excuse for accepting environmental hazards…

The assertion that allowance of additives (any additives that pose environmental/spectator hazards) has no benefit other than “car go fast”, is a solid point.

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Formula One hasn’t used leaded gasoline since the 90’s.

The fuel they use is actually very similar to the gas that anyone can buy at the pump.

https://flowracers.com/blog/what-fuel-do-f1-cars-use/

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It’s even like E10 now

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For Formula 1 cars it is 5mg/l. Old four star leaded has about 840mg/l but is now banned. In the UK low lead petrol is available from a small number of specialist garages for classic cars which cannot run on unleaded and contains about 75mg/l.

So while none is the best, this is a very small fraction in comparison as to what it used to be, and it also is to cover cross contamination purposes.

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get those engines modified so they do take unleaded, shit is bad for anyone breathing it

edit: also, I’m not sure I completely buy it. Lead was only picked as an additive because it was the cheapest available. Before it was even picked, there were other economically and mechanically viable alternatives. The commercial aircraft industry switched to a different additive seamlessly once lead was legislated away. The studies about this are abundant and easily found; sounds like some old farts just managed to squeeze by with a bogus excuse that no-one scrutinized.

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Don’t know why you’re downvoted, there’s no excuse to use leaded fuel in anything.

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There’s no lead in the fuel. That’s why. Downvote for incorrect information.

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Losing them tons of money is the only way to make the faceless corporates pay attention and take action. I hope they do it.

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Sometimes this timeline isn’t so bad

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The race is through the city, on main city roads. Shit is wild.

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Vegas is just awful for formula 1. It’s going to be a shitshow

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Yea there are some good street races, I have little faith vegas will be one of them

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Isn’t that often the case for formula 1 races?

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In the 2023 season, 7 out of 23 races are.

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