Update…Per Microsoft’s instructions, disabled all tracking protections in Safari and requested desktop mode and it works. Their instructions say turn protections back on after using teams… 😐
Funny enough it works in Safari and not Edge…tho that may be Apple’s fault since all browsers are somewhat just versions of Safari, last I heard…
I just dont understand how any company can use a product as broken as teams.
It comes with the Office subscription. People who choose it are not the ones using it daily.
My company’s IT department tried to push Teams since we pay for it either way. The rest of the company revolted and stayed on Slack.
This fucking mentality. “Let’s use this thing that’s free instead of paying 50 dollars/month, the people who have to work with this can get their asses fucked!”
The business/work version of Teams isn’t free, you’re paying for it as part of the 365 subscription.
That’s part of why there’s a push to use Teams: companies see it as already paying for it, so might as well use it.
And of course there’s the constant barrage of fear mongering coming out of the security crowd that says the only sensible, secure thing to do is bring absolutely every fucking thing into a native 365 app. Because they fail to notice that the attack surface they’re so concerned about is a healthy software market.
To be fair, slack price can reach up to thousands per month for very big companies.
That being said, teams is a ridiculous piece of software that is indeed broken.
It doesn’t even make sense in terms of numbers. If you’re paying people six figure salaries, that means they’re earning your company seven figures easy. If you increase the productivity of a person bringing in seven figures by 1%, that’s $10k minimum.
And yet they want to save like $13 per year to use a product that might cut their productivity by 5%
Now imagine being a freelance developer, who works for more than two clients, using Teams with different email addresses.
It’s a horror!
I’m not a huge fan of Teams, as it lacks critical features that alternatives have. But I’ve never experienced anything that would make me say it’s broken. What exactly are you referring to?
If you are part of two organizations you can’t log into both at once, and switch between them. You need to log out and log back in. The way you test your mic and speakers is incredibly stupid and slow. It’s also a disorganized mess.
Never thought about that 2 organization’s thing. Really could be useful if you have a end client account or something, but truth be told the majority of users/companies don’t need it so I kinda see why they don’t focus on that. It would be neat to be able to do that though… For the time being I just use one on browser + one on windows app. 😬
As for the microphone thing, I have no idea what you all are talking about. I’ve been using teams since 2019 or so and I can’t remember than happening once… Not that I can remember anyways.
This is honestly the biggest problem with it and I don’t understand how it hasn’t been solved after years. Luckily it was possible for me to just have one organization and just communicate as a guest with customers but it’s still a mess. People that don’t use it that way in don’t see my messages when they are connected to another organization.
I’m not a huge fan of Teams, as it lacks critical features that alternatives have. But I’ve never experienced anything that would make me say it’s broken. What exactly are you referring to?
If you aren’t part of an organization, and need to join another groups team temporarily, its a complete clusterfuck. I’m not sure what exactly they are doing with cookies, but if you have to work with multiple teams, its shocking how bad it is.
Also, the chat/ zoom feature for video conferencing; I’ve never had it ‘just work’. There is always someone who has an issue getting it to function correctly. It regularly drops video or audio or both. I’m like, actually shocked that a company like MS can’t make basic functional software.
If you do a lot of B2B interaction as a guest tenant you cannot switch tenants without Teams being rendered inoperable.
Once you switch the client will continue to crash with the only recourse being to close the client and erase it’s cache manually.
It’s beyond annoying.
Most recently with the update to add “Teams Classic” as the package name. Now, then coming out of suspend, the client will randomly just be a white window, while still functioning as if it isn’t, so you accidentally click the white box and start calls. This also forces you to force close teams and reopen it.
Yes, Teams 2.0 is available on enterprise, however some enterprises are annoying about updates and will sit on the upgrade for several years.
We use it where I work and it does have its problems but I’ve not experienced anything major. The biggest issue is that it frequently can’t access the camera or mic without a reboot.
I’ve never used anything else so I’m wondering what these critical features that it’s missing are. Our company only has about 25 employees so I wonder if it’ll get more difficult as we grow more. Having said that, almost all of our European customers use Teams and many of them have thousands of employees and seem to be managing ok (although they wouldn’t tell me if they weren’t - it’s the kind of thing that you complain about among yourselves).
How is camera and mic not working until reboot not a major issue for you? That would drive me insane.
The only time I have had it not be able to use my mic was when I had some issue with my whole computer and no app could use my mic. It could have been a driver crash or something. But other than that, I haven’t had that issue. Slack ALWAYS has that issue for me, though.
For missing features, you can’t add custom emojis, you can’t have bots, searching chat history is horrible (almost to the point where it’s not usable), there’s no markdown for spoilers, code blocks, italics, etc. so you have to click the buttons for it (not sure if spoilers even exist in Teams), code blocks are really clunky, you can’t link other conversations.
When my work briefly used Slack, it was really nice for text chat. But some teams just didn’t switch, and there’s just so much value having everyone on one platform. Fragmenting users was very counterproductive, so we went back to Teams.
I use teams for work and have not had a single problem in the almost three years I’ve been with the company. We have teams phones and pretty much all teams licensing. I’ve had lots of problems with zoom and go to meeting. Especially with GoToMeeting when I was managing a citrix environment.
I’ve been using it daily for two years and I’ve had pretty much nothing but problems. It’ll sit in the background and sleep or something, and then I’ll get five hundred messages dropping in all at once. I put teams on my work phone on the side so I can see if someone messages me.
Sometimes messages don’t come through on the PC client, but they can be sent from it, meaning if I look at a chat on my phone it looks normal, but on my PC it looks like I’m talking to myself.
Video calls make all the shadows in the OS flicker. There’s a lot of shadows now, never gave them a second thought before.
The app has a tendency to spontaneously log me out during things, and then refuse to log back in unless I reboot.
Sometimes it doesn’t detect my camera or microphone.
Sometimes during calls the buttons stop working. If I’m sharing my desktop, I can’t stop sharing. If I’m muted, I can’t unmute myself. If my video is off, I can’t turn it on. If I want to close the rubbish and restart, I’ll need to go through task manager.
Not a big fan.
I’m wondering what kind of PCs people are using? I’ve never had most of your issues and I’ve been using teams pretty much daily for the past 3~4 years.
Not saying teams is perfect. UI is an absolute clusterfuck and it’s kinda heavy…
Using Teams at first I was annoyed it didn’t have some zoom features like video backgrounds or whatever…but after using it quite a while I do like it better. The problem for me is you never know what update is going to break something whenever updates are forced…for office and all of the other work software.
Literally anything else is a better option. Slack + zoom is orders of magnitude better.
I use teams very actively; we don’t have slack and I hate emails.
Honestly can’t remember last time I’ve had any issues.
The app integration is awesome. It allows me to give non-technical people access to everything project related through a chat group.
15 pinned convo limit is nonsense though.
Also would like to just be able to paste markdown straight in.
In Microsoft’s defense I phones don’t have proper web browsers. They are all the same under the hood
Yeah, this might be it. For anyone not aware, every browser on iOS is just safari with a different skin and some plugins to work with whatever ecosystem you actually are trying to use.
They have different browsers with limitations but I don’t know about not proper. It is possible to build perfectly decent web apps but many times they choose not to or it’s too much trouble
See 2.5.6 here: https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/
It is possible to build perfectly decent web apps but many times they choose not to or it’s too much trouble
On iOS, they quite literally can’t in some aspects. They’re restricted to using the supplied WebKit Apple enforces. On Android you can use the Blink Web View (Chromium) or Gecko Web View (Firefox). Both of which can be bundled in the app, or you can use the system version.
They have different browsers with limitations but I don’t know about not proper.
Every single iOS “browser” is WebKit. AKA Safari. Due to Apple’s plug-in system being proprietary, it’s difficult to extend. Third party browsers typically use JavaScript injections which slow down the browsing experience. The supplied WebKit is also watered down and updated on a slower cycle. Apple intentionally makes their browser better.
You’re not actually using Microsoft Edge. You’re using Safari and it’s being identified as such by the UA string. Due to Safari being in last place for web standards feature support, it’s not surprising you’re coming across the issue.
iOS only allows PWAs in Safari, and Safari lacks a lot of features for PWAs - https://firt.dev/notes/pwa-ios/ is a pretty good resource for figuring out what they do and don’t support.
Outside of PWAs, Safari is a pain to develop for. Unlike both Firefox and Chromium browsers, its “dev tools” are a bit of a mess and don’t support simply adding extensions like React Dev Tools to augment them. To use such an extension you have to run it as an independent application and connect to Safari, and IME doing this it frequently fails to actually connect properly and didn’t provide a comparable workflow.
When I was working on an app that only needed to support Safari, I ended up just using those extensions in Chrome or Firefox rather than trying to build it in Safari.
And this is my experience building on a Mac. For anyone developing on a Windows or Linux device, it’s not like they can just install Safari locally to confirm that everything works. So if something doesn’t work in Safari, it’s probably not gonna get caught by the developer.
That are two capital NOs from me:
- using teams on my own phone
- turning off tracking protections.
Lemmy has a serious boner for hating on Microsoft.
Teams is exceptional in being terrible.
I was totally over trash talking MS stuff until Teams came along and reminded me just how terrible they can be when they have a market segment cornered.
When it works it’s alright. Interfaces with the rest of office. But Microsoft literally breaks it all the time…it’s never been more broken then when I updated to Windows 11 today. Literally spent 6 fucking hours on updates, reboots, uninstalls and reinstalls. When I logged off and went home I was still using the damn web version because windows updates were immediately breaking anything tech support fixed. I got paid for doing very little but really frustrating day.
i hate MS, Google, Amazon, Apple … FOSS or bust fuck these robber barron birches
Speaking as someone who has to use Google Cloud Platform most days; they also do some horrific stuff, and their documentation and support are miles behind the AWS and Azure equivalents. And having worse documentation than Azure is quite the achievement.
Lemmythe internet has a serious boner for hating on Microsoft.
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If they would actually fix their shit then we would probably be less critical of it but right now it is a pile of steaming garbage
So my Linux loving friend had their Debian installation nuke itself the other day. They went to boot it up and it just vanished. Completely gone. For zero discernable reason. It worked the night before without issue, it worked for months before that without issue, only to boot up and have everything missing.
All this is to say that using non Microsoft operating systems doesn’t magically make everything better. Everything in computing has issues and there’s no such thing as the perfect system.
Plus, even if Windows was perfect and fully FOSS, you and I both know you and all the other unix people would still hate it. It’s been the same circle jerk since the day unix existed.
Anecdote about a magical disappearing operating system? And it is somehow the fault of the OS and not the MUCH more likely culprits, user error and hardware failure? Conflating UNIX and Linux as if they are the same thing? Your story sounds like naive exaggeration based on ignorance and hyperbole.
But you’re right, there are plenty of reasons to hate Microsoft that have nothing to do with open vs. closed source philosophies. However, saying that the foundational principles of open source software development are more sound than closed source development in general and the particular way Microsoft has chosen to develop is not the same at all as your “perfect system” straw-man argument.
By the way, UNIX was created in 1969, Windows was initially released in 1983 (but didn’t really take off with Win3.1 in 1992), and Linux began in 1991. So your final statement while technically true, I suppose, is kind of absurd.
As in there is no boot entry? Or the drive was empty? There about 5 different possible causes for that that I can think of, all of which are user errors or hardware failures (or windows updates wiping boot entries xD).
Regardless, I get what you are saying, I wouldn’t recommend using Linux for 98% of people. The exception being when what you need to do is either not supported or is an absolute nightmare on Windows.
I chose to use Linux before I needed it, purely because windows always felt unintuitive, sluggish and irrationally complicated for me. Nowadays I cannot do what I need to do (for work and personal projects) on Windows or do not have the time to get it working. I maintain several Linux and Windows servers, on top of writing the software that’s running on them. I simply do not have the time to deal with a lack of documentation and the weird workarounds needed to do what I need to do on Windows.
When it comes to things like scientific computing, ML, databases and anything “backend” or low level, most of the software doesn’t support Windows and the OS level API’s are confusing as all hell.
Windows is better for the average “desktop user”, but it falls short as soon as you need to do things the average user never does.
We were told that Teams was the bees knees and it would massively enhance collaboration and productivity due to its fantastic integration.
Well, let me tell you that my disappointment was immeasurable.
It is so slow, so inflexible, so unpolished. I despise it for anything other than a quick chat.
Yeah, like there’s issues but I was literally just arguing with a guy earlier who genuinely thought that using Linux was a magic bullet for network security because “FOSS is secure!”
He was more worried about microsoft skimming his data than threat actors planting malware. THAT was his primary “security” concern. Find me any Sec analyst that is worried about what Microsoft is doing versus hacktivists or foreign governments, you can’t. We know it’s happening, just don’t use personal shit on your company computer.
Then he accused me of being a Microsoft fanboy because I said users having unrestricted access to putting whatever software they want on their machine is a massive attack surface.
These wannabe’s are so fucking bad here, and because there’s so many of them the non-IT users get up voted while actual IT professionals get downvoted for speaking the truth based on actual security policies.
Teams, when used within a single Org, works great. For 3rd party interaction, or working for multiple Orgs I would highly recommend almost any other product.
The intra-org integration with SharePoint and document management/data retention is very good.
But nonsense like what OP is experiencing is why even I, as the senior MS Support SysAdmin at my employer, refuse to use Microsoft Office products on my personal Android phone.
If they want/need me to do that, they can give me a dedicated phone just for that purpose. MS MAM is never touching my personal equipment in a million years.
OP is stuck between a rock and a crap place.
I was hired during the pandemic and Teams has been my main way of interacting with my employer and co-workers since 2021. I like it OK most days but Microsoft likes to release updates that break things several times a year. Oh…I like this new feature! And…an update broke it
I keep Teams on my Android phone but installed in its own isolated work profile via Shelter.
