189 points

Windows is slowly transitioning from a paid and solid OS to freemuim spyware bloated dumb OS.

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Slowly? This crap has been going on for years.

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Yeah slowly, it started years ago but it’s been getting worse every version, slowly

Fast would be if windows 8 had ads and non uninstallable internet exploder etc

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Fast would be if windows 8 had ads and non uninstallable internet exploder etc

Sounds like someone who doesn’t remember windows 8!

Ads: https://hothardware.com/news/microsofts-big-hidden-windows-8-feature-builtin-advertising

They were working on it… and had it working in several places.

Uninstallable IE: https://www.technorms.com/34477/uninstall-internet-explorer-11

While not literally uninstallable… they definitely made it a lot harder.

Windows 7 was the last good version of windows.

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Windows 8(.1) was still utter trash, I actually "down"graded to windows 7 at the time and it was a bliss.

(it wasn’t the non-stop-ads kind of trash, but the UI suited a tablet more than a desk/laptop)

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If only every Windows install came with an internet exploder! We wouldn’t have to read Elon Musk X fluff pieces on the news ever single day. And privacy concerns… What privacy concerns?

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Yeah slowly, it started years ago but it’s been getting worse every version, slowly

The freemium model was launched and completed with Win10.

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19 points

Isn’t a process happening gradually over years “slowly”?

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5 points

Would that not be slowly? What would you call slowly in this context?

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3 points

That’s generally what “slowly” means, yes.

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3 points

Decades.

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I don’t recall such issues with Win98 or XP

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35 points

Dude, that was 22 years ago… I also remember Prince of Persia as if it were yesterday

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I miss Windows Vista.

The arrow pointing downwards is about to be absolutely destroyed today. Edit: it turns out that it didn’t.

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6 points

It started with Windows 8

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Windows 2000 🫶

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Because at this time the internet was still slow, not always on and optional on most computers, and Microsoft did not know if and how they should integrate the internet into the OS. The only thing they had at the time was some link to MSN on the desktop, and activeX (???) Where you could display websites on your desktop or within your program, but without the Browser controlls.

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Even though Windows is very user-friendly. I think Windows 11 might be my last. The amount of anti-privacy that’s implemented and what I have to do just so it doesn’t constantly phone back home is kind of ridiculous.

Off to pick my flavor of Linux.

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I find it strange that people call it user-friendly, despite it doing a lot of things hostile to the user.

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Just more in the neighborhood of being used or understanding something because it has been given to them from a very young age on. So getting familiar and used to it very young age on makes it “friendly” even though it is more “familiarity”.

Linux is always going to be really awkward at first but over the course of time you learn and shy away and develop your own kinda workflow and that’s the beauty of it in my opinion.

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Because user-friendly means that even a tech-noob can easily set it up and use it right away without much researching.

  • If an OS requires ANY AMOUNT of command line, you have lost about half the population.

  • If an OS asks any remotely difficult question with techno lingo, you have lost an other quarter.

  • If an OS doesn’t work out of the box the way it should (like all their hardware functioning including audio), you have lost all the other not technology inclined people.

Windows is setup that it requires none of that. It may do something that you find horrific, but most people do not care as long as it works.

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Windows devices are set up like that.

If you give someone a blank hard drive and Windows install media, they need to to all of those things.

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If an OS requires ANY AMOUNT of command line, you have lost about half the population.

Half? It’s way more than half.

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1 point

“user friendly” doesn’t mean “in the users’ best interests”, it means “easy to use”.

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7 points

newbie or somewhat experienced user?

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I would say I know the basics of Linux due to owning a Pi and messing around with it time-to-time but no where near experienced.

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TL; DR: From personal experience as a Raspberry Pi tinkerer and Windows evacuee, I recommend Linux Mint.

Raspberry Pi OS is essentially Debian compiled for ARM with the LXDE desktop. They used to use LXDE, and it is my understanding they forked LXDE to make their “Pixel” desktop. Being Debian, it uses the APT package manager with .deb packages.

Linux Mint is a fork of Ubuntu, which itself is a fork of Debian. It uses the APT package manager and .deb packages. The exact same commands to install, say, LibreOffice on a Raspberry Pi can be used to install it on Linux Mint.

Cinnamon is the flagship desktop, and I think is a reasonable answer to “What if Microsoft had kept developing the Windows 7 desktop instead of trying to make a tablet OS?” I chose Cinnamon pretty immediately because it felt more like the Windows I had grown up with than Windows 8.1 did.

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3 points

I think Fedora and Ubuntu are easy recommendations!

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2 points

Fedora is nice. You might also like PopOS or Majaro.

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0 points

If only the Xbox controller wouldn’t randomly disconnect on Linux. No, i bought it because i read it works well here.

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This is my biggest downfall with Linux, lack of integration with gaming but I’ll learn to leave without it, I guess.

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8 points

Sounds like bait but I’ll bite.

Most singleplayer titles work perfectly fine under Linux. Majority of my steam library runs with compatibility toggled in steam.

I’ve got a Switch Pro controller, no issues via Bluetooth or Cable connection. Gives me battery readouts via Dunst

Running Wayland with an NVIDIA GPU in both my systems.

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I heard some recent steam thing made it pretty great now? Or was that just marketing talking?

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When was the last time you tried? Steam Deck has allowed Valve to dedicate lots of time to fine-tuning Proton and it works with virtually every game now, save the ones with specific kinds of online anti-cheat systems.

You can also just add your Epic and GoG games to Steam Launcher and then they’ll be launched with Proton as well.

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92 points

Sir, do you have a minute to talk about Linux? 👉👈

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1 point

Literally op is Satan so…

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19 points

Wat

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4 points

Do we have to report him… ?

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78 points

“YOU KNOW WHY I CLICK LATER? BECAUSE THERE’S NO OPTION TO CLICK NEVER! I’D LIKE TO CLICK NEVER! I NEVER WANT TO DOWNLOAD THESE STUPID BULLSHIT FUCKING UPDATES EVER AGAIN!”

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Then click that you aren’t interested.

That setting may not scream in your face, but it is far from hidden.

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/137645-turn-off-get-even-more-out-windows-suggestions-windows-10-a.html

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62 points

I have a feeling people here like Linux…

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21 points

on lemmy are you shure ?

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3 points

I use a Mac!

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11 points

But you’ve installed Linux on it, right?

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8 points

I have Arch btw

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New convert here, it’s mostly dope. Edit: here as in on linux

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I was actually going to put it on an older laptop the other week, but Ubuntu wouldn’t run on it.

This was after spending an hour trying to get into the BIOS, only to find that the keyboard doesn’t actually work before the Windows splash screen comes up… I mean who the fuck designs it like that?

Also the drive bay doesn’t fit the SSD properly, so it just boot loops if you use the little caddy. Refuses to even Post.

Now I hate computers again.

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What laptop was it so the rest of us can avoid this tomfoolery in the future?

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Acer 5742. It’s old (and more importantly, free), but with a first gen i5 and 6GB RAM I thought it would still be able to run basic Ubuntu.

On the plus side, you could access the drive and RAM through a detachable panel, without needing to pull the whole machine to pieces, or be prevented from upgrading it entirely. Which is another thing that’s becoming depressingly rare.

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This was after spending an hour trying to get into the BIOS, only to find that the keyboard doesn’t actually work before the Windows splash screen comes up… I mean who the fuck designs it like that?

Does your laptop have multiple usb ports? And did you try them all?

I had this issue even on my PC until I tried a bunch of different USB ports and found one that worked.

 

Uhh I just realized that since it’s a laptop the keyboard is part of the laptop… Well I’ll still leave this in case it helps anyone

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Yeah, I had to plug in a USB keyboard in the end.

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1 point

Hold shift when you click restart in windows, you can access the firmware through windows recovery.

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Only with UEFI. This wasn’t that. I initially thought it was Windows 10 fucking with Fastboot and causing it to skip.

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We don’t have a choice.

Please do not let Linux find out I said this, I have kids.

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