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I feel like this with Python these days.

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Me when micropython isn’t fast enough to give my microcontroller complex real-time responses

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Just don’t call it with #!/bin/sh. Because that’s POSIX shell, not bash.

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but effectively it’s bash, I think /bin/sh is a symlink to bash on every system I know of…

Edit: I feel corrected, thanks for the information, all the systems I used, had a symlink to bash. Also it was not intended to recommend using bash functionality when having a shebang !#/bin/sh. As someone other pointed out, recommendation would be #!/usr/bin/env bash, or !#/bin/sh if you know that you’re not using bash specific functionality.

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macOS
Debian
Ubuntu

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It is a symlink, but bash will automatically enable posix compliance mode if you use it. So any bash specific features will bomb out unless you explicitly reset it in the script.

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i thought most unix-like systems had it symlinked to a shell like dash. it’s what i have on my system (void linux), of course not as an interactive shell lol

i use #!/bin/sh for posix scripts and #!/usr/bin/env bash for bash scripts. #!/bin/sh works for posix scripts since even if it’s symlinked to bash, bash still supports posix features.

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Wut that is not even the case for Ubuntu. You’re probably thinking of dash example:

sh -c '[[ true ]] && echo ya' 
# sh: 1: [[: not found

bash -c '[[ true ]] && echo ya' 
# ya
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No no no no no, do not believe this you will shoot yourself in the foot.

https://wiki.debian.org/Shell

Beginning with DebianSqueeze, Debian uses Dash as the target of the /bin/sh symlink. Dash lacks many of the features one would expect in an interactive shell, making it faster and more memory efficient than Bash.

From DebianSqueeze to DebianBullseye, it was possible to select bash as the target of the /bin/sh symlink (by running dpkg-reconfigure dash). As of DebianBookworm, this is no longer supported.

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Still don’t do this. If you use bash specific syntax with this head, that’s a bashism and causes issues with people using zsh for example. Or with Debian/*buntu, who use dash as init shell.

Just use #!/bin/bash or #!/usr/bin/env bash if you’re funny.

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/bin/bash won’t work on every system for example NixOS some other systems may have bash in /usr/bin or elsewhere

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#!/bin/bash doesn’t work on NixOS since bash is in the nix store somewhere, #!/usr/bin/env bash resolves the correct location regardless of where bash is

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Before nginx was a thing, I worked with a guy who forked apache httpd and wrote this blog in C, like, literally embedded html and css inside the server, so when he made a tpyo or was adding another post he had to recompile the source code. The performance was out of this world.

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Nothing good old cache can’t solve. Compile JS and CSS. Bundle CSS with main HTML file and send it in batches since HTTP2 supports chunkifying your output. HTTP prefers one big stream over multiple smaller anyway. So that guy was only inviting trouble for himself.

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You’re telling me about compiling JS, to my story that is so old… I had to check. and yes, JS existed back then. HTTP2? Wasn’t even planned. This was still when IRC communities weren’t sure if LAMP is Perl or PHP because both were equally popular ;)

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Am just saying including source code into Apache is an overkill. But I guess if Apache was so old that doing so wasn’t much of a chore, sure thing. Still think apache module would have been simpler.

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There are a lot of solutions like that in rust. You basically compile the template into your code.

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yeah, templates can be parsed at compile time but these frameworks are not embeeding whole fucking prerendered static pages/assets

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Compiling all assets into the binary is trivial in rust. When I have a small web server that generates everything in code I usually compile the favicon into the binary.

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They are nowadays. Compiling assets and static data into rust and deliver virtual DOM via websocket to the browser is the new cool kid in the corner.

Have a look at dioxus

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Does a file lookup really take that long? Id say the trick was to have just plain old html with no bloat and you’re golden.

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The answer is no. The more file is used the longer it sits in kernel filesystem cache. Getting file from cache versus having it in process memory is few function calls away all of which takes few microseconds. Which is negligible in comparison to network latency and other small issues that might be present in the code.

On few of our services we decided to store client configuration in JSON files on purpose instead of running with some sort of database storage. Accessing config is insanely fast and kernel makes sure that file is cached so when reading the file you always get fast and latest version. That service is currently handling around 100k requests a day, but we’ve had peaks in past that went up to almost a million requests a day.

Besides when it comes to human interaction and web sites you only need to get first contentful paint within one second. Anything above 1.5s will feel sluggish, but below 1s, it feels instant. That gives you on average around 800ms to send data back. Plenty of time unless you have a dependency nightmare and parse everything all the time.

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Blog content was stored in memory and it was served with zero-copy to the socket, so yea, it’s way faster. It was before times of php-fpm and opcache that we’re using now. Back then things were deployed and communicated using tcp sockets (tcp to rails, django or php) or reading from a disk, when the best HDDs were 5600rpm, but rare to find on shared hosting.

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Couldn’t the html be loaded into memory at the beginning of the program and then served whenever? I understand the reading from disk will be slow, but that only happens once in the beginning.

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11 points

Ah, you met fefe.

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Fefe uses a LDAP server as backend, not Apache

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He also uses his own http server that in turn queries the ldap server solely for the articles. The rest is compiled into the http server binary.

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He uses his own http server called gatling and an LDAP server instead of a database.

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This reminds me of one of my older projects. I wanted to learn more about network communications, so I started working on a simple P2P chat app. It wasn’t anything fancy, but I really enjoyed working on it. One challenge I faced was that, at the time, I didn’t know how to listen for user input while handling network communication simultaneously. So, after I had managed to get multiple TCP sockets working on one thread, I thought, why not open another socket for HTTP communication? That way, I could incorporate a fancy web UI instead of just a CLI interface.

So, I wrote a simple HTTP server, which, in hindsight, might not have been necessary.

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I’m currently trying to relearn all my advanced bash in python.

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Just for fun or do you have a specific thing you feel would be better in python?

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Certain things I want to do will be easier in python and will be more portable. But bash is my home.

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Fair enough. The line for me has always been whether or not I expect to use it for more than just glue or a one off run

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i already learned how to use my operating system, now you’re telling me I have to learn 30 new libraries that do the exact same shit?

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no, you’ll also have to learns each libraries special quirks on your OS

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73 points

What if, get this, we put the bash scripts in yaml. And then put it in kubernetes.

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58 points

well now you’re just describing ansible

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10 points

Very, very bad Ansible.

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26 points

Have you considered embedding python in those bash scripts? I have done this, and it is glorious.

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34 points

I wrote my webserver in pure bash.

bash -c “python -m http.server 8080”

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Did you know you can zip entire Python project into single file and make it executable? Quite a neat feature. Shove all dependencies, modules and assets in there and voila. Single file python application.

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