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As it turns out, conservatism was the real plague all along.

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🌎🧑‍🚀🔫👨‍🚀

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Conservatism is a pre-existing condition/risk factor to your (and those around you) health

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5 points

A few thousand years and counting.

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5 points

More like mental illness

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Isn’t that Kennedy anti vaxer a democrat?

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No, he is not. He initially tried to run as a Dem, but once Dems realized he was a right-wing nut job, he (appropriately) decided to run as an Independent.

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Ah, thanks. Sorry not American. Thought the Kennedys were all dems

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It really is rather astonishing what one idiot in the right place at the right time can accomplish. For example, if you had asked me to describe a typical anti-vaxxer anytime before 2020 I would have described someone a lot like a hippie. Someone who smokes a lot of weed, makes their own clothes, shows up at all the mid-week protests against factory farming, that sort of thing. If you asked me that same question now you’d get a very different answer and it really can be summed pretty succinctly in the acronym MAGA.

I’m sure the first type is still out there but the second type is much more interesting in the academic sense of the word. These are people who were openly mocking anti-vaxxers less than 5 years ago. These are the people who didn’t think twice about mandatory vaccination days in school or the military. This sort of person flipped their whole attitude towards the medical community almost exclusively because one loud idiot who obviously doesn’t have a fucking clue how any of it works told them that he knew better. That’s amazing.

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Can’t tell you how many times in my clinic I heard “I can’t stand that Fauci”. Every time a look of disgust would envelop my face and I would ask ”why?!” in disbelief. Most of the time they couldn’t tell my why other times because he “lied”. It was clear they didn’t understand basic science and we’re being told what to believe. These were your run of the mill MAGAs that constitute the majority and the norm where I’m from.

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What’s wild has been watching previous hippies that were antivaxxers suddenly adopt racist and hateful attitudes because it aligned with their newfound perceived in-group.

Like - how do you go from proudly having protested for civil rights to using the N word all because of the strength of your convictions about the healing power of quartz?

Our brains are weird as shit and I really can’t wait for AI superintelligence because it’s become clear as fucking day that such a thing as superintelligence sure as hell isn’t going to be happening in humans.

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Our 13 month old is fully vaccinated. We do this crazy thing where we trust our doctor. He’s doing great and we’re doing our part…it is so frustrating how stupid Republicans are

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The craziest part to me is the docs who believe the conspiracies. You spent all that time studying medicine and don’t believe it?

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My “favorite” moment like this was when I was doing IT for a surgery center and one of the surgeons walked by in a “this mask does nothing” mask.

Like, how the fuck are you so pilled that your dumb ass ignores a critical part of the PPE you wear literally every day?

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Mental illness can have its pull.

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Conspiracy can slander a lot of things. It used to be easy to slander anti-opiate pushing doctors “conspiracy theorists”.

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Are you implying the anti-vax crowd relies on facts, data, and logic and not conspiracies?

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We had one of our cats in the vet a while back and she noted that he needed his rabies vaccine, and we could tell she was a little nervous about how we would respond. We said, “Do it!”, but apparently she’s had a few people respond negatively…

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Declining your pet’s rabies vaccine?

As in, your pet could contract rabies, bite or scratch you, and then you don’t get the shot in time due to either denial, or you’re too ignorant to see the symptoms of rabies in your pet, or they are displaying the more subtle symptoms and you don’t catch it?

Even if you do catch it and treat yourself, now Fluffy has a fatal illness and has to die.

What an astoundedly stupid decision.

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They are a proud tribe.

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It’s a combination of things and to just simply blame MAGA is doing a disservice. Before we had MAGA we had antivax on the rise. We did after all have Andrew Wakefield and Jenny McCarthy.

But more importantly what fuels a lot of this is ignorance. Some willful, some that cannot be helped, and some just not an easy thing for one to wrap one’s head around. That ignorance fuels fear, uncertainty, and doubt something that’s sometimes referred to as FUD. And that can manifest into all kinds of things, chief among them is outrage which MAGA acolytes feed into for political gain. Because that’s how the MAGA crew keeps fuel in it’s tank, feeding into outrage.

And for a moment, I’d ask everyone to take a look around. Look at the world we are in. Plenty to be outraged about, right? But while you might find specific things to be outraged about, the MAGA crowd keeps it unfocused. What’s woke? It’s whatever it needs to be for the time and place. Who is in the Soros Cabal? Whoever needs to be for the particular discussion at the moment.

But it’s important to remember that the MAGA crowd feeds into something that can be traced even further back. There’s an ongoing dogma about vaccines that’s roughly the equal to the myth of the Inuit having 400 words for snow. Note, the Inuit DO NOT have 400 words for snow. But like anything, once something gets started, it becomes really hard to shake. The dogma of antivaxxers relies on three components:

  • An uncertainty about the makeup of a vaccine — Which may be heard as folks citing the Tuskegee experiments or the CIA experiments.
  • A lack of widespread evidence showing what a lack of vaccines looks like — At one point everyone knew what Polio looked like and now through the success of the vaccine, almost nobody has any real understanding of what Polio actually looks like or what it can do.
  • A lack of real risk analysis — Actual death from Childhood vaccines is almost unheard of at this point, compared to the 0.12 ‰
    who will die from measles. A lot of folks don’t even know what ‰ means. Additionally, a lot of people do not know the history behind the VAERS database, nor are aware that the funding allocation from Congress to arrest anyone who makes a false report is currently $0 and has been that rate since it’s inception.

These things sow a level of distrust and when paired with the rapacious nature that is the American healthcare system, there is massive amounts of gasoline being poured by folks who are interested in profits, that contrarians, shysters, and grifters are more than happy to ignite to further their agenda. We didn’t just get here by ignorance, we got here by a bunch of folks who would use that ignorance for their own gains. Like Andrew Wakefield, so many antivaxers I know indicate his research while casually omitting that he had published that paper in order to enact an elaborate fraud. The idea was to get people to select his “safe” version of the MMR vaccines that would have made him a ton of profit. Nor do people speak about Brian Deer who did the investigative research and reporting that eventually undid, at least in a legal sense and brought about his removal as a licensed doctor, Andrew Wakefield’s report. No what most people remember is that Wakefield published a report and there’s been this sorting of those who bought into it and those who didn’t. And all of that was on the background of Autism, a disease that initially no one had any idea existed which feeds into that whole FUD.

The MAGA crowd has made it political. Lots of people are wondering about that “medical record” and why tax payer money can only be unlocked by the public on condition that they take a shot. That latter part was predicated on the notion that everyone at one point knew that they did NOT want to catch any disease that the MMR shot protected against. And if you’ve ever talked to any “sovereign citizen” type, you can just take that mentality and extend it to say “roads”. Why predicate having a license on the ability to use a road one paid for? Why pay for it? Why think taxes are legal? It’s road for sure, but there’s lot of similarities along the way.

There’s a level of contempt for our Government. I mean just look around, one wouldn’t be hard pressed to find a clear example. There’s been a lot of failure globally in Democratic order because quite a few are more interested in profit to be made than benefit to society. The thing with the antivaxxers is they’ve taken that contempt and made choices and commitments that are dangerous for themselves, their children, and their locality. They’ve allow that contempt to be woven into an identity and there are all kinds of agents out there that will validate that identity in exchange for profit or power. But we should remember that if we are going to simplify it, those are the true drivers.

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For anyone like me who’s curious what the 0/00 symbol means, it’s per mille, or per thousand. So 0.12 0/00 is the equivalent of 12/100k.

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