The dream held by the Brexiters seems to be well and truly dead.
They helped them to relocate to other countries that actually appreciate their hard work.
That’s a silver lining I hadn’t known about! Glad to hear it. The most vulnerable of us rarely receive any support when the fear-mongering flares.
I still don’t wish burden upon those who supported Brexit despite the evidence suggesting it wouldn’t work in their favor. At least they didn’t get to cause as much pain to migrant workers as they may have intended. Ugh. Some people’s kids.
Depends which brown. They facilitated immigration from India and Pakistan.
the immigration the current minister wants to stiffle with tougher laws, acknowledging that her family wouldn’t have been able to migrate to Britain under these new laws?
If i understand correctly they just want people to come to work for cheap but not actually immigrate or have a perspective in Britain.
How long until they go crawling back to the EU?
We should take them back, of course they first have to go through the whole process and they dont get any special treatment.
Sure we are. As soon as they sign on to Schengen and the Euro and a bunch of other stuff they used to have exemptions for.
Britain easily had the best deal with the EU ever. That’s not coming back.
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The EU would offer them such insulting terms compared to their previous arrangements that they’ll never rejoin.
They’d just get standard terms. Which they’d probably find insulting, admittedly.
I mean, if I got the same consideration as a financial blackhole like Greece I wouldn’t call that fair from the UK perspective either. They made their own bed at this point though. I hope th EU lets them sit and spin for decades.
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As a Brit who fought against Brexit and would welcome reentry at pretty much any price (perhaps bar adopting the Euro, at least for now) reading this sort of news is bitter sweet.
Sadly our leaders don’t care about the actual country so it’ll be a long time before membership happens.
I was looking for someone with your view to ask. Why is holding on to the Pound such a big hurdle? Which would you rather accept: the Euro and Schengen zone, or the continued decline of your country through post-Brexit policies and outcomes?
IIRC adopting the Euro (and changing the currency oc a country in general) costs a huge amount of money. Additionally the brits probably out a lot of pride in their currency, so the leap from “we’re so great we don’t need the EU and even are better off ourselves” to “we not only need the EU but the Euro as well” is even farther as just adopting a new currency or just reentering.
I’m of the same mindset, at least for now. It’s a combination of 2 things.
Pride/ego is a big one for a lot of people.
The second one is the economic hit of the transfer. There will be 2 big jolts. Bringing our economic cycle fully into line with Europe, and the greedflation that will occur with the price changes.
Right now, we are in a bit of a crisis. The rich have pumped too much money up and out. The lower working class are right on the cliff edge economically. The jolt will be felt worst by them. Right now, I wouldn’t be surprised if it could completely crash our economy.
Don’t get me wrong, for the benefits of the EU, I’d personally swallow my pride on the matter. The economic effect would be scary, particularly with the current caliber of MP at the helm.
GBP is the fourth global reserve currency and financial services hover around 9% of our GDP so a move to a unified currency could have real material damage to our economy. Also as a nation that sees itself as a close ally of the US (regardless of what the US thinks) having independence on monetary policy is core to how we operate as a global power.
I can see a time when the Euro and full Schengen (although being an island nation that will always be hard) membership is desirable but that will come after we cease being what we currently are on the global stage - I hope it doesn’t get that far.
The post-Brexit decline we’re facing isn’t endless, eventually a new normal will be established but it will be far below the economic standard we could have had and will hurt us scientifically, culturally, and medically as well as economically. Having to also chuck out what is currently our only big industry to start to grow again is a big ask. Membership on closer terms but without an obligation to the Euro is probably what we will ask for when we eventually do, but there is no guarantee the EU will want us. Especially if we start to steal the finance jobs back from Frankfurt.
A lot of in-country resistance comes from the “EU Army” fallacy but that doesn’t worry me, closer integration is a good thing in my mind.
I find it fascinating that Britain still aspires to be a global power, when the dominating vuew on the european mainland is it being just another western european country, with the carcass of its former empire still losely attached.
In terms of military projection, global alignment and influence the UK seems to be just as much following the US like most western european countries do, being far away from a global power.
I also dont think it to be a good idea to hold on to that pound as a means of power projection. The power projection make the currency powerful not the other way round. If there is no relevance to the trade with the UK and the currency anymore, it just withers away. The EU in the meantime is a single market with half a billion people. That is not so easy to go around economically and gives the Euro a certain power, even without further aspirations attached to it.
You could have the world’s second largest reserve currency, the Euro. But I’m sorry but from the outside looking in you’re not much of a global power anymore. The only thing keeping you relevant are seemingly your armed forces. And on that front France gives you a run for your money.
I’d also bet money the EU would want you back, remember they weren’t the ones pushing for a no deal brexit. However terms will be less favorable than last time.
Sorry for being harsh. As a Swiss I get the wish for being independent and having your own currency and freedoms. But let’s face it… My gov. Also overestimates our importance and the leverage we have.
Your reply also shows that even pro EU brits are still too proud to share a future in a more federalized EU. If you are not willing to give up your currency, you are not willing to go for it completely. That’s not what the EU needs.
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