44 points

Forcing companies to give worker’s rights to gig economy workers is actually huge, so expect Google to fight tooth and nail to block it. Could make for a big change in all the hoops they make YouTubers jump through if it does eventually stick though.

permalink
report
reply
7 points

The lawsuit seeks to demonstrate an employment relationship between Jota, a creator of political satire content whose real name has not been disclosed, and Alphabet’s YouTube

Yeah, I don’t think they have to fight very hard here. This lawsuit has a snowball’s chance in hell.

permalink
report
parent
reply
6 points

Do you have experience with Spanish employment law?

permalink
report
parent
reply
5 points
*

This would be an absolutely insane precedent that would just result in further gate-keeping the ability to earn revenue on YouTube.

He doesn’t even deserve to get to preliminary motions, and his attorney should be disciplined for wasting the court’s time.

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

This would be an absolutely insane precedent that would just result in further gate-keeping the ability to earn revenue on YouTube.

Exactly. If YouTube was forced to treat every monetized creator on the platform as an employee, this will end up hurting smaller creators who can’t meet the requirements for an actual employment (those with smaller followings or irregular upload schedules), and many who were previously monetized will suddenly lose it.

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

I can sympathize with the argument on gig work for hire like Uber. I’m not sure any of the frameworks we have work that well, but there’s merit to at least some of the protections of employment law being in play.

But YouTube isn’t employing anyone.

permalink
report
parent
reply
9 points
*

Hope he wins Google’s gone full evil lately and isn’t even trying to hide it.

permalink
report
reply
9 points

🤖 I’m a bot that provides automatic summaries for articles:

Click here to see the summary

The lawsuit seeks to demonstrate an employment relationship between Jota, a creator of political satire content whose real name has not been disclosed, and Alphabet’s YouTube because he regularly provided his services and received remuneration derived from advertising revenue, UGT said.

Google Spain blocked Jota’s YouTube channel “Último Bastión” (Last Stronghold) from earning advertising revenue in August.

He said they had called on the court to classify Jota and YouTube’s a labour relationship and his effective dismissal as “wrongful”.

Google says that content creators are not employees and that in this particular case Jota’s channel did not comply with YouTube monetisation policies.

Spain became a pioneer in Europe in gig-economy workers’ rights when it forced food delivery companies to hire as staff their riders in 2021.

The UGT said it was committed to fighting false self-employment and precarious labour conditions it says tech giants seek to impose.


Saved 64% of original text.

permalink
report
reply
27 points
*

“He says that the company withdrew money that was already in his YouTube payments account.” this is the huge part not included in this summary. I don’t think an employer can withdraw money from an employee’s account. At least not in the EU.

But I’m not a lawyer.

permalink
report
parent
reply
16 points
*

I don’t think an employer can withdraw money from an employee’s account. At least not in the EU.

It is very illegal in the EU. It requires quite a lot of burocracy to even start the procedure to do so legally if for example part of the money was given by mistake.

But you cannot just remove an entire salary, not even if they start a procedure to so. That is just asking for a fun session in court.

permalink
report
parent
reply
6 points
*

IIRC the test for being an employee, is having the employer at least controlling the employee’s schedule, if not providing all the resources to realize the work.

Not sure about their exact contract with YouTube, but I don’t think it might be applicable to a media producer publishing at their own pace by whichever own means they want.

permalink
report
reply
9 points
*

IIRC the test for being an employee, is having the employer at least controlling the employee’s schedule

No that’s “a” test, it’s not “the” test. And you don’t have to pass all of the tests.

A perfect example is the CEO of a company. They control their own schedule. They are still employees… and in most of the world you need a reason to fire them.

permalink
report
parent
reply
4 points

A CEO’s schedule is controlled by the board, that’s why they’re an employee.

It often happens that a CEO is also the chair of the board, so they can control the CEO (themself) themselves, but legally those are separate functions.

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

Google does put pressure on delivery though, it sends notifications like oh you haven’t posted today, that’s not good and might mean you show up lower on searches.

I don’t think it’s enough myself but they are extremely controlling and I can see someone could want to argue it out.

permalink
report
parent
reply
4 points

Unless he has anything resembling an employment contract (which I’m doubting is the case, as I don’t think YouTube has ever offered such contracts to creators outside of the now-defunct YouTube Red productions), I don’t see this working out in his favor.

permalink
report
reply

Technology

!technology@beehaw.org

Create post

A nice place to discuss rumors, happenings, innovations, and challenges in the technology sphere. We also welcome discussions on the intersections of technology and society. If it’s technological news or discussion of technology, it probably belongs here.

Remember the overriding ethos on Beehaw: Be(e) Nice. Each user you encounter here is a person, and should be treated with kindness (even if they’re wrong, or use a Linux distro you don’t like). Personal attacks will not be tolerated.

Subcommunities on Beehaw:


This community’s icon was made by Aaron Schneider, under the CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 license.

Community stats

  • 2.7K

    Monthly active users

  • 2.9K

    Posts

  • 53K

    Comments