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You left out the best part?

I’m all for small government, but I’m realizing I’m not for NO government. Having some shared land we can all use as we wish is good. Having areas set aside for public use is good. this side of the mountain is for off-roading (and no you dont need a license plate), this other side is for hiking and camping

I hate a lot of WA state’s ultra liberal policies and high taxes. But I also feel I had more freedom there in many ways.

Maybe I don’t actually like what I’ve always advocated for after all…

Discuss…

Edit: 3 days later I got banned from this sub over this post. Freedom lovers my ass. This is place is run by ashamed right-wingers.

If I want to be charitable this even sounds like someone that is more lost on the sea of ideological garbage of the internet i.e no access to anyone or anything that would educate them towards socialism or even the obvious critiques of capitalism so they defaulted to the standard American ideals until it personaly affected them, then they realized “wait this doesn’t quite make sense”. They could be saved if they were lucky to have someone waste time educating them, but most likely just become a conventional lib instead.

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Yeah, I feel like “libertarian” is just vibes-based for dudes of a certain age, and not really an ideology. Like “centrist” it’s a way of signalling to each other that they stand above politics, and don’t get involved in the petty bickering of people who care about things.

When the rubber hits the road, and they start interacting with the world, they’ll settle into their actual politics. Usually it’ll break toward resentment-based fashy stuff, like “centrists,” because the vibe coming from a place of “I’m better than that,” to begin with. But it can go the other way too if it’s coming from where you were at, or if they start being personally affected/targeted by their allies.

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Yeah, I feel like “libertarian” is just vibes-based for dudes of a certain age, and not really an ideology. Like “centrist” it’s a way of signalling to each other that they stand above politics, and don’t get involved in the petty bickering of people who care about things.

I think this was through intentional propaganda: stuff like framing that stupid political compass as two Freedom - Authoritarian axes and South Park’s detached contrarianism. The end goal is to get these people to vote for conservative causes and convert some of them to ideology.

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They found out that American “libertarians” are just Republicans except they want weed to be legal. There’s a reason why the Cato Institute, the Libertarian Party and other garbage institutions are funded by the Kochs and other powerful figures: because they pose no threat to the establishment and having a fake third party around is useful.

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(and no you dont need a license plate)

I WANNA BE ABLE TO OFF-ROAD ON PUBLIC LAND! BUT I ALSO DONT WANT THE GUBERMENT TO HAVE ANY MEANS OF HOLDING ME ACCOUNTABLE IF I RUN OVER A MOUNTAIN BIKER!!!

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I honestly respect their ability to question their beliefs based on their real experiences

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not just that, but to arrive at a conclusion that is at least vaguely in the correct direction. some libertarians have similar experiences but decide that the reason places like texas suck is because there’s still a tiny little amount of government regulation/services

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I’ve seen some people say some shit like “after 2010 Texas was infiltrated by communists. It ain’t like it used to be”

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Infamous communist cells Oracle Corporation and Tesla

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This person has never once thought in their life how anything is maintained

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I’ve seen a libertarian on reddit argue that the gubberment doesn’t nees to build roads because corporations will do it in order to reach new consumers.

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have access to roads for only $39.99/month!

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a bunch of federal land isn’t maintained and especially out west you can just go fuck around in the middle of stolen nowhere.

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Can confirm, have worked for the forest service. It’s mostly skeleton crews to manage thousands upon thousands of acres. Even less in BLM lands, but that’s also because they are usually just rented for almost nothing to ranchers and oil prospectors (hence why we call them the bureau of livestock and mining)

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I’ve spent a significant amount of time in most states east of the Mississippi. A while ago I went to Texas for the first time outside the confines of an airport.

Texas is maybe the worst state I’ve been to. “Maybe” because I’m deciding if Louisiana is worse, excluding Nola.

If you hate pervasive Republican/conservative/Christian ideology, you will hate Texas. If you hate Libertarianism, you will hate Texas. If you hate car-dominated transit, you will hate Texas.

The best thing about Texas is tacos and general Tex-Mex food. Not a huge endorsement of a place if its best attributes are its external influences.

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I’ve lived here for over a decade and this is all correct.

Grab a few tacos on the way through but burn it all down behind you please. It fucking sucks here.

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Give it back to Mexico, then let them burn down Dallas and Houston.

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I went to Houston for the first time this year. I knew they’re against any socialist policies but the thing that shocked me was no sidewalks! I was wondering how they managed so I did some research and they just don’t. Hundreds of pedestrians are killed each year in the greater Houston sidewalk-less suburban area (statistically seniors?)

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I really want to visit New Orleans some time. It’s a cultural capital and the birthplace of Jazz music. It’s gotta have some things going for it.

Not anything in Texas I feel like I NEED to see, (though I’ll hit the San Antonio riverwalk if I ever find myself there). Im sure both are shitty places to live, but one of em looks better for visitin

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I feel like New Orleans is the only place i’d like to visit for an extended amount of time in the US at this point. Definitely has a character and history unique to the country.

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I don’t think I would want to live in New Orleans but it is fun to visit. The beignets at Cafe du Monde are good, and the best thing I did was go on a dinner boat with live jazz on the top deck.

The rest of Louisiana though, like Baton Rouge… incredibly racist. Also the homicide rate is very high.

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south south Texas was an ok spot back when I lived there, but I reckon apartheid boy is wrecking the place with spacex.

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