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Wow, pretty clear how he feels about it. But also he made plenty of money of Apollo and then just shut it down and refused to open source it. So I don’t feel particularly inclined to change my behavior here.

Edit: All these people white knighting a dev that made millions off his app.

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Why was this removed please ?

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Well now we have multiple great FOSS options instead of one or two dominant paid apps. I was a happy Apollo user, but the current state of things feels more in line with the ideals behind Lemmy. So maybe his actions led to a more positive outcome than if he had kept on going like people wanted.

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I mean, he provided a great app for free for years. Why should he open source it, just because he also earned cash with it? As far as I know he was also in talks with premium members so that they could get their money back but I’m not updated on that. And of course he shut it down, the app essentially became useless.

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I never received it. Gonna call Apple soon. Damn shame for all involved :(

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Narwhal found a way, gonna need some β€˜splainin’ as to how he was singled out

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I didn’t say he was obligated to open source it. He gains nothing by keeping it closed. If he had open sourced it I could still use it because I have a Reddit API key. If he open sourced it, it could be converted to work with Lemmy. But he effectively burned it down.

He doesn’t owe it to me to open source it but I can still think it was a shitty selfish decision.

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He also gains nothing from open sourcing it

People need to stop having the expectation that everything should be open source. It shouldn’t, nor will it ever be

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exactly, infinity for reddit became eternity for Lemmy

because open source

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He is not obligated in anything but it shouldn’t suprise him or be sour about other devs stepping in to do what he doesn’t want to do. It doesn’t help that he acts like this is done out of malice even though it’s not.

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Why would he have any obligation to open source a project he was shutting down? If he made the code open, that would be a kind and generous gesture. Not an expected and assumed action.

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Here are my takeaway. Christian does sound slightly miffed at the fact that Voyager has copied much of the look and feel of Apollo. Even though he has not contributed any code directly to the Voyager app, he has indeed β€œcontributed” to it indirectly. I highly doubt Christian will go after Voyager app in a legal manner. He definitely would have a legal standing to do so but that would alienate his support from the past Apollo community that has moved onto Voyager. There is just no reason for him to do so. I suppose I can imagine a crazy scenario where Apollo IP switches hands to another company and that company decides to take legal action against Voyager but that seems highly unlikely. In retrospect it would have been nice if developer of Voyager basically got permission or just simply asked Christian if it’s okay to use the look and feel of Apollo in writing. That would have avoided any awkwardness or ambiguity.

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There’s approximately 0% chance of that happening. Christian made up his mind, he’s free to do whatever he wants. And we’re free to do whatever we want short of actionable real lawsuits. Time will tell but the genie’s outtathe bottle.

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Copyright has not been violated, and so he has no standing for legal action.

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Hm, does Voyager have his blessing for being so similar to Apollo I wonder?

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Does it need it? AFAIK, you can’t copyright a design.

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Pretty sure that’s exactly what copyright is for, actually

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Pretty sure you’re not a lawyer so pretty sure you CAN’T be pretty sure about this

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You’re pretty sure, but you are wrong. The closest would be a design patent

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You can’t copyright the underlying idea. You can copyright the specific expression of that idea.

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Seems like it does not, but it also seems like Christian isn’t really taking action against it.

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He’s a smart guy and he wants to move on. He should do that and people should leave him alone but when he puts himself on the record, its fair game.

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I believe he does not like it

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I don’t believe there is fuck-all he can do about it, unless it’s somehow directly lifting code.

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Thats probably why he hasnt done fuck all, that doesnt mean he has to like it.

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Voyager is built from the ground up as a web app, not even possible to directly lift code from Apollo

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Mods removing a lot of comments. No reason given.

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Interestingly I can see them all on my instance with Voyager. Is this a new feature? They show as removed in red but still visible.

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@christianselig@mastodon.social Can you share some clarification on your thoughts on the Voyager app?

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@ChristianSelig Sorry, not sure if the original mention went through on Lemmy or not

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