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In Quebec they use sand, I don’t see why that can’t just be done here, it’s not like it’s a major change to the equipment or anything.

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It can, they often use it

Sand doesn’t melt ice but it provides traction; too much and it’s slippery again, too little and it does nothing

If you have a busy road where it’s constantly being moved around as well as melting and freezing again then it’s not ideal

The dirt also has to be cleaned up

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The dirt also has to be cleaned up

You mean the dirt CAN be cleaned up. This is a pro, not a con. The salt also needs to be cleaned up, and it’s a LOT harder.

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Water washes salt away better (and into our streams), it’s easier on our pipes

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Fair.

Doesn’t sound like there’s a great solution overall.

Imagine if we were crazy enough to heat the streets from underground.

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Shifting away from car dependancy would reduce overall traffic and make sand more useable and reduce total salt used when salt is still needed.

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It wouldn’t even be that hard really, but it isn’t something you could easily retrofit into place

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I’ve seen gravel used more than sand in Quebec. Same problems though. Bonus points is you get to eat shit in spring while skateboarding.

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Be a heathen like me and push mongo and you’ll never eat shit from stones ever again. LOL

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Lmfao real pro tip right there, can’t eat shit if your weight isn’t on the shit eating end!

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Blame corporations for applying obscene amounts of salts to prevent liability issues. The place I used to work at would put down so much everyday it was like walking on rocks. The entire sidewalk and parking lot.

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The building I work in…. It’s literally like walking on a crunchy field of crystals.

Cement is starting to erode away.

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Exactly.

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When I lived in Calgary they used beet juice and it worked fine.

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They already do this in the GTA on many roads

Edit: They’ve done it for awhile

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How does that work?

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The sugars lower the freezing point of the ice so the salt works better but it still needs salt.

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It’s also super sticky which helps

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From what i found its beet juice mixed with salt brine. Not as bad as normal ice melt apparently.

https://www.backyardboss.net/beet-juice-ice-melt/

Though I’m sure this isn’t great for the environment either.

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Calgary is semi-arid. Beet juice would not work in a place like Ontario. Too much ice!

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They already use it. It works.

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Curious, do they use Sodium Chloride or Magnesium Chloride or something else?

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Sodium chloride is usual, because it’s the cheapest option even if it isn’t the most effective.

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This is the best summary I could come up with:


The move to reduce the amount of road salt during the winter months can’t wait because Ontario’s groundwater and lakes are showing “very rapid salinization,” researchers at the University of Waterloo say.

“We actually use a lot of of salt, and salt is a very effective way to keep roads, sidewalks and parking lots free of ice, and that, of course, is important in terms of ensuring the safety of road users and pedestrians,” said Philippe Van Cappellen, a professor and researcher at the school, as well as the Canada Excellence Research Chair Laureate in Ecohydrology

Most recently, Van Cappellen was part of a research group that looked specifically at Lake Wilcox in Richmond Hill.

Van Cappellen said he wants local municipalities to talk about their road salt use, setting targets such as reducing its use by 25 per cent in the next five years.

David Pressey, the Region of Waterloo’s manager of transportation operations, said the muniipality has been aware of concerns about the use of road salt and has actively worked to decrease its use.

The region will lay down a brine solution when it learns a storm is coming, helping reduce the amount of rock salt spread during plowing.


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