Americans are increasingly unlikely to believe that those who work hard will get ahead and that their children will be better off than they are, according to two recent polls.

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There never was a dream you fucks. XD

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They call it a dream for a reason. You have to be asleep to believe it.

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9 points

Then this news article doesn’t know me completely, because the American dream has been dead ever since 9/11

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2 points

What ?

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Shit on America, get upvotes. It’s how it works here, regardless of whether or not the statement makes any sense what-so-ever.

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4 points

Long before that.

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This is a qualitative metric that may or may not be a reflection of the economy, but it sure seems like bad news. At least it’s bad news for those who aren’t coming from existing wealth or connections.

If most people believe that hard work - without needing a prior wealthy social circle - will not result in a commensurate lifestyle, they won’t be as willing to put in the time for education, be willing to grind their early career, or be willing to borrow money believing that tomorrow will surely be better. That can easily start a downward cycle where there are fewer and fewer opportunities.

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Maybe that’s why I’ve heard rumors that more people are entering trade schools. Generally higher paying, shorter time to graduate, often unionized…

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3 points

Many of them pay more than white collar work too.

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Yeah, but on the flip side - this is the energy we can use to change things for the better

Debt only drives things under our insane system, there’s so many other options. People accepting that “hey, things won’t work out if we slave away for rich assholes” is the first step to coming up with a system that benefits everyone more (even the rich assholes… They’re not happy either)

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111 points

It’s not dying because it is already dead

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It was never alive in the first place, it’s just a mean of giving some glimmer of false hope while the oligarchs continue being parasites.

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Naw after WWII when half the men were dead, everyone had jobs, houses, and two women fawning over them. It was great, if only we had a way to kill off half the people so everyone could have twice as much.

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7 points

You don’t think any American generation did better than the previous one through work?

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Why qualify this with “through work?”

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Some generations did better than previous ones due to economic conditions at the time, and this is especially true in the period between WWII and Reaganomics. Some individuals experience both hard work and success, but there are a great many hard working individuals who have no personal wealth to speak of.

As for working hard, (unless I miss your point) - it’s hardly new for older generations to accuse younger ones of not wanting to work.

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I disagree, back in the 60s it was totally possible to find a decent paying job, have a couple of kids, buy a house to store them in, get a new car every few years, send your kids off to school, go on vacations and retire at an age old enough to enjoy some time with the grandkids. Now that really isn’t a reality for the average person.

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When my dad bought a house in LA during the 70s, his car cost more than the house.

However, the car died after 2 years which apparently was normal. He then drove a 1977 Ford Ranger up north and that thing would barely start, ever.

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25 points

It was, briefly, in postwar America.

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12 points

If you were of the fair-skinned persuasion, maybe…

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14 points

Oh I thought they meant to die was the dream.

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11 points

Who can afford to die in this economy?

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7 points

You load 16 tons, what do ya get?

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It has certainly never been the case that working hard will get you ahead, the inverse is actually more true. People who are forced to work hard to survive can believe this at their detriment.

This is probably the most accurate for people who are from less privileged backgrounds who are expected to demonstrate their merits before being accepted in to professional managerial professions. For people born in to that world it’s more important to not run against the merits that have been assumed for you.

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