241 points

It’s amazing how little leverage they have when you stop using their products.

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More than you think. They are also actively seeking ways to make that leverage effect more people.

They are defining web standards. They control chrome and chromium. So all of the alternative browsers that aren’t safari and Firefox are using Google’s web engine. Even Firefox and safari are beholden to Google as they fund both these web browsers through their default search deals.

Google after many failed messaging apps has taken on RCS messaging. They provide most of the supporting infrastructure through their Jibe servers. They don’t allow anyone but themselves and Samsung to make an RCS app on android. They also had a campaign to pressure apple to use RCS. It’s likely apple’s RCS will be following Google’s Jibe service closely, as they’ve already said their will work with Google on this. Google successfully got most RCS messages going through their servers, with apple on board with RCS itll see most SMS messages defaulting to RCS and most of those going through Google.

They also have deep hooks into education market with their OneDrive/Google docs products and Chromebooks.

Most privacy focused android alternatives recommend Google hardware.

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19 points

I use Safari, Firefox, and DuckDuckGo.

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8 points

I haven’t used sms for half a decade if not more…

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28 points

It’s the most common way to contact people in the US

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2 points

I wish I could.

I’ve tried for years to get people over to things like XMPP, which is cross platform since, well, forever.

No dice.

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They are defining web standards. They control chrome and chromium. So all of the alternative browsers that aren’t safari and Firefox are using Google’s web engine. Even Firefox and safari are beholden to Google as they fund both these web browsers through their default search deals.

🎶 I think I’ve seen this film before… 🎶

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2 points

Agreed we need to quickly move away from this

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8 points

Don’t worry. They will find ways to force you using their products.

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11 points

Meh I think they might be overestimating their market position if that’s the strategy

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I think they’re in a better position than Microsoft when they tried to make ActiveX and Silverlight a thing. They own the two most visited websites. On top of that, they own the most used web browser and the most used operating system (judged by web use).

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130 points

Firefox is loving every week of this as they head towards launch. Market share is guaranteed to improve.

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90 points

You have more faith in people’s giveashit than I do.

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Nah, I’ve seen people who were hard chrome users start to change their tune about it. A few even changed over to Firefox. Now I understand that my sample size is people I know, but even my wife asked me “how can I stop the youtube ads stuff” after noticing that I don’t have to deal with that bullshit… and she’s not tech literate at all.

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The issue is that most people will just end at “well I guess I can’t block ads anymore”.

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18 points

That’s encouraging.

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It’s not really about giving a shit, but when you’re used to no ads, then seeing ads is an inconvenience. And that’s usually even more potent than people giving a shit or not

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I switched to FF on mobile a few months back and I finally switched to FF on desktop earlier today.

I had been a chrome user for maybe 15 or 20 years? I don’t actually remember when chrome came out but I started using it shortly after.

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The problem is Firefox is not really an independant organisation; (it’s not independant from Google).

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6 points

If you are talking about Mozilla gets money from Google for default search engine deal, Apple also gets money from Google. That doesn’t make Firefox depended on Google.

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Firefox and Apple are different kinds of companies though.

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92 points

My 5 years old decided to switch to Firefox after I told him google chrome will not block ads on YouTube anymore.

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That’s the iq it takes yeah. :)

Not saying anything bad about your son, hopefully you understand what I mean.

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34 points

Don’t talk to my son ever again! /s Yeah most adults are just very tall 4 year olds.

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14 points

Proof: Elon and his Crayola-designed truck

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can you invite 5 year old to fediverse when older

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5 points

Kids are more open to change than adults.

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I’ll never understand why so many people seem to be afraid of change. To me change is exciting, something new to explore, a chance to learn something new.

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It will happen as you get older. You might not even realize it, and it will start with disliking changes that are objectively bad. But soon it will be changes that are neutral, and eventually changes that are positive but not very positive.

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65 points

Firefox isn’t an “alternative browser.”

I didn’t think Google would play the evil card, but don’t trust the ad blocking abilities of software made by an advertising company, I guess.

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What do you mean by not an alternative browser?
Are you trying to say something about the word choice or…?
Chrome is an alternative browser to Firefox too.

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yes, i think he is speaking about the word itself. it is terrible that it is gaining negative connotation… like when people say bullshit like “alternative facts” or “alternative medicine” and the word itself slowly starts to look slightly suspicious just because it is used by morons.

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Jesus, I didn’t even think of that being a reality now…

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Of course it’s the alternative. Has always been, even before it was called Firefox: Netscape Navigator is the alternative to Mosaic. Fun fact: Internet Explorer was a fork of Mosaic. All of Chrome, Edge and Safari are descendants of KHTML.

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This website talking trash about Google ads 🤣

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Holy fuck, 3 ads for the same thing that take up half the page?

Thank developers for ad blockers, I don’t even see those anymore.

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